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Popscat39
#LkqlJljp 2017/11/25 07:08

@Minsheme
Yes, but that isn't the way that you'd use it. I used it right there and, if you want to see a >greentext STORY, look it up on Youtube. I love some of the stories. A good one is Catfishman.

King Kentucky
#M23kwciU 2017/11/25 06:23

<Me doing ">jdjns" the wrong way was intentional
<skyk, i like you, but the internet exists and they're gonna find it eventually so

Minsheme
#l0aS2Xd2 2017/11/25 06:15

>Is this how I make the 4chan text?

Popscat39
#LkqlJljp 2017/11/25 05:56

THANKS skyk, at least someone has a brain. I've given up trying to stay calm against KK. Also, KK, you got >greentext wrong. >greentext is a 4Chan thing. If you want to bring up a specific line, you use >greentext to show that line. I don't know what you're trying to do. Also, that last line was a crazy thing called sarcasm.

skyk
#vSbAiI0H 2017/11/25 05:40

Regardless of how much you respect each other individually, please show general consideration for the members of the comment boards who are uncomfortable with cursing, particularly the younger ones.

danstroyer
#4mOwUKSe 2017/11/25 04:01

YEAH DRACO YOU GOT A PROBLEM WITH US OVER HERE IN TEXAS AND OTHER PLACES SAYIN CRAWDAD WELL LIL FELLER?

King Kentucky
#M23kwciU 2017/11/25 01:59

<Popscat, you gave me attention
<You are fu.cked
<I do accept your apology though.
You are indeed.

Popscat39
#LkqlJljp 2017/11/25 00:46

>I apologize
>King Kentucky, please don't curse.
>Please just don't do it.
I'm so disrespectful.

King Kentucky
#M23kwciU 2017/11/24 12:59

not cussing doesn't mean you're respecting me tf

Shadow_Master86
#NCcaJoit 2017/11/24 12:05

ok yeah me cussing was my fault and im sorry. i should have been better behaved and i have adhd and so it got control of me and made me write that.

Popscat39
#LkqlJljp 2017/11/24 10:33

Tyne and Wear, It's definitely gotten better. Saturn500 has left, people are destroying the Happy Merchants.
Now to KK. I'd like to point out the fact that you used curse words REGARDLESS of this line. "Use appropriate expressions." Not to mention, I've been respecting you the entire time, and what do you do? go out of your way to curse me out in 100bit.

Tyne and wear
#5GBDuOyX 2017/11/24 07:04

100 bit has basically crashed and burned.

King Kentucky
#M23kwciU 2017/11/24 05:29

(lolwut)

Popscat39
#wcvdsEaB 2017/11/24 03:59

Good job, I can use Inspect (ctrl+shift+i) too. I'm making you talk about how stupid you are on you're first post you placed that I saw.

Hachi1
#pdDlVqmc 2017/11/24 03:56

oh my god the stuff about sr master was 100% me that wrote it, i'd forgotten all about that unshameful self-promotion

King Kentucky
#M23kwciU 2017/11/24 02:41

https://prnt.sc/he1ean
https://prnt.sc/he1qb7
Come on guys, flattery will get you nowhere.

Popscat39
#wcvdsEaB 2017/11/24 01:54

I apologize, I should've given you the backstory. Saturn500, one of the users, was accusing people of antisemitism because of Happy Merchants that they were drawing. Regardless of this argument, they were polite and never cursed. However, Saturn500 started to lose his cool after a while. Nobody was saying Nazism was right, but they WERE saying that Happy Merchants aren't antisemitic.

βBETA
#0rob4al8 2017/11/24 01:09

*rubbing hands together* Where is this going?

skyk
#vSbAiI0H 2017/11/23 13:48

Please don't do either.

Kek
#8J7PPYd0 2017/11/23 13:19

So you'd rather people talk about Nazism than drop an F bomb? Come on dude

Shadow_Master86
#NCcaJoit 2017/11/23 11:15

i dont mind saying shi.t, fuc.k, or bitc.h so im on kk's side. sorry

Popscat39
#wcvdsEaB 2017/11/23 10:28

So am I a terrible person for not wanting people cursing on a website that kids play on? You don't really have a leg to stand on. Please just don't do it. Even 100bit, where people argued about Nazism and Swastikas, nobody cursed.

King Kentucky
#M23kwciU 2017/11/23 10:03

https://prnt.sc/he12o7

Popscat39
#wcvdsEaB 2017/11/23 09:40

King Kentucky, please don't curse. There are kids that play this game. But to say what I came for, thanks guys, I was able to make it send. Turns out, you need to wait for 2 comments to come after your 2 comments.

King Kentucky
#M23kwciU 2017/11/23 09:00

Every time I do a ball course, the first part I'm proud of it, then closer to the end, I ha.te it because I rush to get it over with. Also, siggy, upload your sh.it already even if it's not finished

Shadow_Master86
#NCcaJoit 2017/11/23 08:50

i mean besides that, like, in the console

Σsigma
#dGUQeyap 2017/11/23 08:09

Cloud+metal=thunder
Cloud+ice=snow
I think that's it.

Shadow_Master86
#NCcaJoit 2017/11/23 06:08

is there any way to alter what comes out of a cloud besides water

Σsigma
#dGUQeyap 2017/11/23 02:15

Keep in mind that there also might be hidden words between words like "this e.xample". This won't post without the period because "--s e.x------" and "se.x" is censored.

Minsheme
#l0aS2Xd2 2017/11/23 00:30

There is a limit to how frequently you can comment. You can only post 2 comments in a row, then you have to wait.

Popscat39
#LkqlJljp 2017/11/23 00:11

It seems to submit just fine here.

Popscat39
#LkqlJljp 2017/11/23 00:11

There's been a problem with 100bit comments. It won't let me comment anything. I press submit, It wipes the text box, and nothing happens. Does anybody know how to fix this problem? There have been times I can't answer questions because it does this.

jj
#Xkydn1D7 2017/11/22 12:09

yellow aplles are good

Dracobot
#iWOBESYY 2017/11/22 04:50

I expected that to happen.

Minsheme
#l0aS2Xd2 2017/11/22 01:55

New comment removals on Dan-Ball. I think this is my favourite one so far. Great job team.
https://www.thesun.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2017/05/zuck-2.jpg

King Kentucky
#M23kwciU 2017/11/21 09:03

WOW SIG YOU GOT A PROBLEM WITH SOUTHERNS FELLER

Dracobot
#iWOBESYY 2017/11/21 08:59

A somehow successful attempt to get past the text-spam feature of the censor bot?

βBETA
#0rob4al8 2017/11/21 06:16

What does this look like?

Dracobot
#iWOBESYY 2017/11/20 14:43

@LK & Hachi
Everyone where I live says "crawdad", but it sounds so southern that frankly I'm disgusted by it.

Hachi1
#pdDlVqmc 2017/11/20 07:53

lol sorry LK

King Kentucky
#M23kwciU 2017/11/20 07:05

hachi i say crawfish fym, who tf says crawdad homie

Minsheme
#l0aS2Xd2 2017/11/20 04:52

Where did I bring up motive? It implies I care about someone's character. I don't think I brought up anything new, you were talking about whether or not AD "cares" so I addressed that.
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No one prior to the last few centuries had an enforced, principled reason like "right to life". It's also different now because we breed and facilitate empty vessels who live to suffer, as well as keep them alive.
Only family/partners care about them, not community. It is now the community who suffers so that this person can live a drifting, pointless life.
What are some examples of people who were unable to contribute (yet receiving reward as if they did) being beneficial for a community? Is this about some kind of moral fabric? And how did they contribute without hunting?
All human achievement and all culture comes from someone climbing a dominance hierarchy. What is there to do in life for people who don't serve a role in these hierarchies anyway?
If a society is truly in a state of cooperation, then as an individual I stand to gain even more than before by taking the selfish, exploitative route.

Torture King
#TI3DWoRg 2017/11/20 04:44

I think you misunderstood what I was going for, I was agreeing that natural selection was no longer applying to individuals because human social structures redirect what would otherwise be a fatal cost. But it's still very much a part of our collective thought process because basically every war has been fought in an effort to gain the loser's resources or to keep a predatory state from getting too powerful. To that end we've "evolved" sticks to hit the enemy, armor to protect against the enemy's sticks, sharper sticks, harder armor, etc. Any state that didn't follow along was inevitably conquered by another that did. And because it's part of our thought process I figure it can be harnessed in another, less violent way- such as debate- to advance the individual, because that particular niche isn't currently filled otherwise.

danstroyer
#HBXJabuN 2017/11/20 03:35

.....
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ummmm

skyk
#vSbAiI0H 2017/11/20 01:00

https://pastebin.com/YW3iehfB

Minsheme
#l0aS2Xd2 2017/11/19 17:05

@skyk
It's an appeal to motive, but I don't see why it matters even if it's true. To me it implies you want to one-up someone but want arguments to have an honour code. Whether we give authentic arguments or not, you either recognise something as challenging / informative or not.
To me there will always be social Darwinism. What we have now is dysgenic, but that just means we "avoided" selection by displacing its ills. Allowing non-contributing, draining people to live is just sweeping the problem under the rug (the problem of being burdened to get rid of them). Something will counterbalance the fact that this tries to destroy all need for hierarchies of skill/strength/intelligence. Either weakness is punished/ended or the entire ecosystem suffers perniciously.

Torture King
#TI3DWoRg 2017/11/19 14:35

Natural selection totally applies to human society, just not on an individual level. It was the key concept behind every conflict leading up to the balancing act of M.A.D. and all the proxy wars therein.
I can't speak for anybody else but I've been doing this for several years and the most valuable thing I've gotten from it is a glimpse of different perspectives that I can leverage for a greater understanding of "non-natural" sciences like politics and economics.

skyk
#vSbAiI0H 2017/11/19 13:32

That's because this IS something I actually care about.

READ VAR("A")[0]
#1CfotduJ 2017/11/19 13:24

Looks like he got the debate he was asking for lol.

skyk
#vSbAiI0H 2017/11/19 11:17

"Fittest" means the one who best fits their habitat, not "fit" as in strong. Natural selection only applies to a trait if the trait gives a substantial benefit to survival and reproduction, and wasting energy trying to prove intelligence without actually making progress toward a solution is certainly not adaptive in that regard. As a trait, it only exists because human society has reached a point where natural selection no longer applies.
And what purpose exactly do these debate serve? Amazingdude said they're for fun. If they're only meant to be recreational, then I guess they do serve their purpose, but they sure aren't promoting human evolution.
Minsheme: Do you honestly believe Amazingdude asking people to debate him has nothing to do with ego?

Torture King
#TI3DWoRg 2017/11/19 11:04

@skyk: Evolution is literally called "survival of the fittest" and you're asking me for proof that competition is a requirement?
Also if the debates serves a purpose than it can't be called pointless, as long as somebody feels like they're growing I call it a success.
@amazingdude: Not totally true, I changed your opinion about the safety of nuclear energy and I've honestly never put much thought into the specifics of immigration law until a few months ago.

Minsheme
#l0aS2Xd2 2017/11/19 11:03

"one-upmanship" how? not writing with your ego/passions involved is the opposite of wanting to best anyone.

Dracobot
#iWOBESYY 2017/11/19 10:15

1. Click JOINT-N.
2. Click a dot.
3. Click another dot.

Shadow_Master86
#NCcaJoit 2017/11/19 09:26

https://pastebin.com/5Ebx3fMC

amazіngdude
#aJcMiLNA 2017/11/19 09:02

I believe in everything I argue. I just argue for fun. You cant change minds over the internet.

skyk
#vSbAiI0H 2017/11/19 08:34

TK: Show me a peer-reviewed article with evidence that humans are evolved to grow by having pointless arguments to make themselves look smart, and I'll agree that bad-faith arguments are adaptively beneficial.
Socrates is one of the most classic examples of an individual who challenged people intellectually through debate to promote the progress of human knowledge. He didn't just go up to people and say "what's a good topic to debate?", he picked topics of extreme importance to both sides of the argument and their society in general, and then challenged deep-seated concepts through intense investigation. In fact, he actually got a bit too serious in his choice of topics, and was killed by the government because of it.

Torture King
#TI3DWoRg 2017/11/19 07:22

Same thing, animal minds need some kind of goal or opponent to grow in response to and overcome. It's just more productive to compete against one another for mutual benefit than to stagnate alone. Similar systems of challenge leading to growth and isolation leading to stagnation are evident all over the world at every point in history.

Shadow_Master86
#NCcaJoit 2017/11/19 07:02

https://dan-ball.jp/en/javagame/dust2/59836.html
this is my new upload. check it out. p.s.i didnt mean to copy skyk

skyk
#vSbAiI0H 2017/11/19 06:55

If your arguments aren't things you believe, and you don't expect anyone else to believe them, then the point is not "personal growth through changing and refining one's core values", it's intellectual one-upmanship.

Torture King
#TI3DWoRg 2017/11/19 06:51

Arguing in bad faith is only a problem if there's a specific important point to the debate that bad faith would undermine. Frankly, I'd be surprised if anybody here was deeply involved in city-level policy. If the point is personal growth through changing and refining one's core values then why not?

Minsheme
#l0aS2Xd2 2017/11/19 06:34

okay

skyk
#vSbAiI0H 2017/11/19 06:17

Presenting beliefs that you don't actually believe in is literally the definition of a "bad faith argument".

Minsheme
#l0aS2Xd2 2017/11/19 05:10

@AD
Just parodying danstroyer's comment
@skyk
I don't think winning an argument means anything but I will present beliefs I don't personally hold for the sake of devil's advocate and challenging people. You could call that bad faith. I don't expect anyone to have their mind changed, but to explain their beliefs on a more and more elemental level - make a more and more robust argument for themselves as they're challenged as much as possible - then I can decide if it makes sense to me.
Most of what I learn from discussions/arguments is what other people believe and why. I think it's a great idea to discuss like you're a ghost / non-existent person.

Kek
#N1hn3TpZ 2017/11/19 05:09

Add pg1 wind physics into pg2! Thy are so much better

skyk
#vSbAiI0H 2017/11/19 04:19

Minsheme & AD: "Arguing in bad faith" is when the goal of your argument is contextualized within the debate itself rather than in the subject of it.
For example, a "bad faith" argument could be if you're arguing in order to "win" the debate, regardless of whether or not you actually believe that the side you've chosen or the points you're making are correct. If your initial goal is to have a prolonged debate, by definition your arguments will be in bad faith.
I'm not saying you have to personally have had your life ruined by whatever you're talking about, but you shouldn't start a debate unless you actually intend to convince the other people involved or have yourself convinced by them.

amazingdude
#padtckOV 2017/11/19 03:56

I argue for the purpose of arguing. Its fun. Doesnt mean its in "bad faith" or I cant be passionate about it.
Im passionate about climate change. I only argued just for the sake of arguing.
@Minsheme
Whats so bad about "ha,cking the game"? Nobodys hurting from it.

Minsheme
#l0aS2Xd2 2017/11/18 23:01

Sorry if this kills any action but I'm calling off my challenge since I figured it out. I may make another for other pieces of tech though, if it gets people engaged.
@skyk
Why bad faith? I understand that amazingdude proposes arguments just for the sake of arguing, but can't it be that he wants productive, stimulating discussions and to hear other perspectives? What would be an authentic way for people to start those topics on here? Should it only be by people who are stricken by or involved in those issues? I'm not saying you're wrong, I'm really not sure if/why it's bad to start discussions that way. If we are focused on people's motives, egos (their personal relation to the issues), etc then I think it would become identitarian.

Minsheme
#l0aS2Xd2 2017/11/18 19:32

stop ha'cking the game or I quit

Hachi1
#pdDlVqmc 2017/11/18 19:29

Every single switch/logic gate in the machine uses a joint, and like sigma said it's remarkably robust

Hachi1
#pdDlVqmc 2017/11/18 19:26

yo yo I made a turing machine. Due to the dot limit the "tape" only has two cells (as opposed to potentially infinitely many), but you can program it with 6 rules so it's quite fun. If you tell the machine to "move left" when it's already in the left-most state, it will just ignore your rule and move to the next one.
So yeah computers are 100% possible <3
http://dan-ball.jp/en/javagame/dust2/59841.html

skyk
#vSbAiI0H 2017/11/18 17:56

Minsheme: Amazingdude has said on multiple occasions that he wants to debate for the sake of maintaining a debate. That sort of motive, by nature, leads to pointless bad-faith arguments.

Minsheme
#l0aS2Xd2 2017/11/18 16:13

I don't understand that argument, "you are not actually passionate about this". This reinforces the fact that people tend to only care about issues that they have experienced / been affected by. Should decisions on those issues only be decided by the ones who happened to experience it? In my opinion, if anything, people who haven't experienced it should decide. It's a great idea to discuss issues that you don't have an emotional attachment to.

Minsheme
#l0aS2Xd2 2017/11/18 15:09

https://pastebin.com/msNzLnax
I am considering offering a cash reward (at least $20) for anyone who can figure out how to make these joints move parallel to each other. I think it's impossible though. I'll see how much interest there is. If anyone does post a solution, I promise to pay you, so have a paypal address ready if you want the monies.
The other requirement is that, as they move from right to left, they have to occupy the same x co-ord for 3 frames at a time. Feel free to completely redesign the conveyers, but they can only occupy a certain amount of height- about 30 pixels (there needs to be a 200 pixel gap between the joints).
Hard to describe so it sounds complicated, but if you look at it frame by frame (by pressing enter) it should become clear what this thing is supposed to do.
I might not pay you if you create the wrong thing, so join the Dan-Ball discord (#powder_game channel) to discuss it and win your monies. (I did not write this comment to advertise the Discord, I've only posted a few messages in there myself and I'm new to it. We just need a place other than this limited board to discuss things.)
https://discord.gg/5CGYgRU

amazingdude
#padtckOV 2017/11/18 14:21

@Skyk
Climate change, date formats, guns, Trump, immigration

skyk
#vSbAiI0H 2017/11/18 13:17

Shadow_Master: I personally think the effects of fireworks are some of the more interesting applications of console.

Devin Coley
#ABWe6Xwf 2017/11/18 12:54

You cannot download the game

Shadow_Master86
#NCcaJoit 2017/11/18 12:41

is there any more things i can mess with in consol besides player etc, mc etc, and elements
?

skyk
#vSbAiI0H 2017/11/18 12:40

My question to you still stands, AD.
Is there any topic you actually care about? Not just something you think would start a debate. Maybe something you personally have a stake in?

Paintedcrazy
#UNHIQ2JA 2017/11/18 12:36

Wait, there are debates?
What else am I missing?

amazingdude
#padtckOV 2017/11/18 12:13

Come on guys, don't you want to debate? I know Reedvar is fun, but what about the great PG2 debate?

Shadow_Master86
#NCcaJoit 2017/11/18 09:28

nvm

Shadow_Master86
#NCcaJoit 2017/11/18 09:14

how do u get readvar or 53 from console

Dracobot
#iWOBESYY 2017/11/18 08:43

Yeah, I literally lol'd when you thought Turing machines had something to do with ha.cking PG2.

Minsheme
#l0aS2Xd2 2017/11/18 05:38

LOL danstroyer

hotdogeater1000
#LiLWHMJE 2017/11/18 05:10

We are going to continue talking about reedvar/readvar because its interesting. If a new element pops up, even if it is through inspect element, we want to know the properties.

Tyne and wear
#f5nzXMxH 2017/11/18 03:00

What does that even mean???

danstroyer
#EGEjyP6z 2017/11/18 02:07

I don't wanna ha.ck pg2 guys I'm leaving if you don't quit talking about "redevar" and "turing machines"
at least I'm leaving comments you have until next Friday
also @chemicalbob I cant believe it you say pokemon is like old and overated and stuff I cant believe I voted on ANY of your works

skyk
#vSbAiI0H 2017/11/18 00:29

I think it depends on your browser, but in Chrome F12 or Fn+F12 works.

TugBoat
#FKUgXCqW 2017/11/18 00:23

Woah this comment thing is pretty neat

Shadow_Master86
#NCcaJoit 2017/11/17 22:10

on dust game 2

Shadow_Master86
#NCcaJoit 2017/11/17 22:06

how do u get console open

Hachi1
#pdDlVqmc 2017/11/17 21:56

If I can make an actual turing machine it would be possible to write programs in it that don't halt, that'd be fun

Hachi1
#pdDlVqmc 2017/11/17 21:47

Guys check it out I made a computer!
It's basically the weakest thing that passes as a computer - I was going to try and make a turing machine, but I figured I should started with the "only one cell" case first - maybe I'll try and make a computer with two cells next time?
With my design, it's easy to modify it so that it runs for an arbitrarily long sequence of instructions.
http://dan-ball.jp/en/javagame/dust2/59815.html

tyler992
#DCUFDzZw 2017/11/17 20:47

I WANT TO MAKE READVAR ELEMENT,BUT HOW TO DO IT??

amazingdude
#padtckOV 2017/11/17 11:48

http://dan-ball.jp/en/javagame/dust2/59811.html
reedvar joints are weird. Try dragging it!
@Draco
It's hard to find a balance between due process for everyone and giving victims the justice they deserve. When the defendent is assumed innocent until proven guilty, an inability to prove him guilty beyond a reasonable doubt means that he is innocent in the eyes of the law. While its not perfect, it's certianly better than convicting based on an unproven accusation.

skyk
#vSbAiI0H 2017/11/17 07:37

@Danstroyer: I used the console command "Nc[0]=29" to set the firework value of the 0 spot on the menu (powder) to thunder. Then I left-selected that menu box and right-selected fireworks.

danstroyer
#P8k3AM7G 2017/11/17 07:18

@skyk how did u make thunder come out of the fireworks

MidnightMonster
#VfijhzSI 2017/11/17 05:43

Um, whats going on now?
Anyways, in the fourth "Can you make it?" I forgot to add the Pool of Death. . .
Just pretend it's there, okay?

Dracobot
#iWOBESYY 2017/11/17 00:02

Also, the input is *one thunder dot at a time*. There are ways to translate user-click input to single-dot input.
There are also variations like having more mercury than just two dots. In which case, the joint moves like a cycle: it moves by one pixel each time and when it reaches the end, it automatically goes back to the beginning. This way allows multiple options that preserves the order.

Dracobot
#iWOBESYY 2017/11/16 23:44

We're using a lot of "he ra.ped her" when it also goes the other way around. And it's far more difficult for a man to accuse a woman of ra.pe because of the stereotypes that "men are always looking for se.x" and " women are always weak and innocent".
@Read
Oh, it's really easy to make a multi-use switch!
http://danball.wikia.com/wiki/Mercury_switch#Joint_mercury_switches
If that redirect doesn't work, ignore those first and second sections.
And if you can't use the code (I dont know if you can access the JavaScript side of the game or not), replace two consecutive dots on a circuit with mercury, making sure the mercury is held in place by a nonreactive element like torch. Then join one of the mercury dots with something that you want to move a pixel, like a powder dot on the side or, more practically, a metal dot on another circuit that leads thunder down a different path.
Speaking of the JavaScript code, is it possible to make a JavaScript-to-HTML5 code converter? I proposed the idea to Ivan at the wiki because there are a few works in the form of code on there, but people that can only access the HTML5 side can't use the code.


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