Earth Editor Comments | 1000posts

I used ea = 100 and made a circle of wall exactly around the blackhole then used ea = 95 and removed the center perfectly now im filling in a 95 diameter hollow circle with BH (the outline is 5 pixels thick so I wont accidentally put BH outside the circle)

Downgraded 2D solar smash

Goated game with monster box too, does Dan ball still make games lol

Yoooo this game is cool could use some more elements and better physics

cool

@¯l_ツ_l¯ I was literally just about to say that. And give it PG2 physics, and a perfect game has been made. The only thing making me not play this game as much is the physics. Why in the world are there floating sand particles lol

Powder game 2 but less elements without upload function, joints and things that can only be erased

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and its my birthday

its not fake you freakie deekie

uhh wdym its fake??????

This is fake!!! AND FIRE!!! YOU ARE JERKS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

GUYS THE UPDATE IS COMING SUPER SOON!KLMS,Your game is fake!!! https://s2.loli.net/2024/04/13/5GiJayrVdsSejl3.jpg

GUYS THE UPDATE IS COMING SUPER SOON!KSML,Your game is fake!!! https://sm.ms/image/5GiJayrVdsSejl3

I created earth in earth editor

Raghupati Raghav Raja Ram

You're wrong that is not powder games biggest vote scammer

Please make it so you can upload

@Ha55ii, Please make that we can Upload our Planets

Where powder game's biggest vote scammer got he's name

Love everything and everyone 3,000

me make big planet

Make a planet

Make HD 100546 b

The new content called the upload

PLSSS Add a firewall in powder game 2

ha55ii pls update this game

Is cool

Hello folks.

I want to have meteorites in Powder game 2 (as Element)

I want upload function!!!

Okay(:-) \ ill try that

Add BH in powder game 2 in the centre and you wil get Earth Editor with more elements

boring ass game

GUYS THE UPDATE IS COMING SUPER SOON! https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/cmyksoft/images/0/0a/Asd.png/revision/latest?cb=20231206173913

i made a moon and i destroy it by using meteor on earth editor

I think all the elements form power game should be on earth editor but it is still a five star rating⭐⭐⭐⭐⭐ plus I like to create a planet and destroy it

Hi! my players are all level 30 [ im sorry cuz im new..T-T]

Achei chato

I am made from the game

add moons and stuff.

This game is awesome! You can create planets!

Black hole?

go too pg2 and use black hole

I have some game suggestions! It would be so cool to see drag and wind in this to easily move elements. Also maybe an explosive like gunpowder would be fun. I would love having thunder or acid, too.

@redreborn I think that you can only comment twice in the last 5 comments, so you can’t do a third comment until someone else does. I’m pretty sure this is used to stop spamming. I’m not 100% sure, though.

why does it make obision sometimes when you lava tons of sand around a little oil

Please make it downloadble on pc

Please make it downloadble

hello moderators if you are seeing this (which is most likely bc y'all are very good at your jobs) for some reason i can comment once ever 2 days or something around that if you can may you please reset if that's possible? thanks if yall see this!

imagine s-ball in this game...

Could you add people to the game?

fullscreen yipee!

yey

Earth Editor ver3.0 Supports full screen.

Man_ Happy new year! Its been a long time.

Good Grief, I remember this site from EARLY 2000s, it's been so long

I tried to make the solar system but it was a fail :(

nobody talks here...

make the screen bigger!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

muy bueno ?

iv got a theory that bomb explodes walk into wall but still does destroy it, hover meteor explodes wall into sand

You can't zoom

how to zoom

If You Wanna Destroy Ur Planet Just Shoot 1 Pixel Of Bomb Really Fast *It Can Destroy Over 5k Pixels!*

Step 1: make a bomb planet. Step 2: make a normal planet. Step 3: drop a meteor on the bomb planet. Step 4: Thank me.

I love blowing up stuff!

Been here for over 15 years. Going to continue writing here on occasions. :)

Oh shoot I feel nauseated?

Lalalala

bcbggcgc on kk jgrnsd NO YOU MANgcg

绅士手

How am I supposed to do with this?:-(

Donald Trump poses the greatest threat to American Democracy since our country's founding.

Hello

i know... i m sorry to huyuds kaesjik

hi

Danball was my childhood, I'm glad it's still up

i made a wite hole with cloud try it

Huh?

I mean, where else are you gonna talk about politics? with real people in real life?? pshhhhhhhhhh

There needs to be super novas!!!!!!!!

was going to make a planet of oil but I didn't want America coming

kyoto was here 2022

Why are people 1000 comments ago talking about politics?

I want to poop ?

Why no moons I was trying to make Pluto and Charon

@infhexagon i agree

hi this game is great I hope we can share

You destroyed earth

Who is unknown and ??? ?

Dan ball í côl

nope

Am i not able to share things?

nmbh

Thank you ha55ii!

Oh god

Earth Editor ver2.9 Supports smartphone resizing.

yup!! also! trains are gr8! better than cars any day

I am making Thea(The Mars sized object that caused the moon to form and it’s also all of the earths diamond

Add more elements pls!!

My world is always hit by meteors.

@NorbertLinuxGuy oh lol fair haha

I like trains

yep

If you wanna use lasers go to powder game

wheres the lazer element????

My World Dead

it wery good game

Could you make planets?

Also, can there be more elements to experiment with?

Can there be people like the player, and fighter in the powder games included into the planet sim? It would be great if you can

no

When people element?

addliving things and maby save data than it would be one of the worlds best games

Can you add living things to this?

李娜娜

I have a idea for upload

回来了

bad badie bob

I killed the oil planet

hi

*makes the world of Nintendo*

ok

I wish they added soil to earth editor

你那边把那个好友送到吗、

I want uploads on this game!!!!

uh i think i destroyed my world..

bwaaaaaap! uh oh i think i destroyed my world i love being the goddess of chaos

@kyoto0151 , incredibly late response I know but ! nope ! i did theatre and psych studies ... my username really does not check out lol

Make planet dance

are not real, but doent's mutter

is cool game

Oiii

very nice i can makea earth lol

They should add more elements to this game but other than that this game is awesome

I love this game !

Would be nice to have an offline version :D

i like itttt very much

wow

@NorbertLinuxGuy What did you study in college? Comp sci??

It’s amazing

Itssuper good I like green so that’s why I rank in green

How do you make land?

Howdy @kyoto.. gosh it's been a while! I am currently fresh-ish out of college and living the unemployed guy lifestyle , apart from a lil video editing gig and an internship thing online~ B)

furry fox guy The Powder Toy

MY GAME HMM THIS NICE HAAAA

FINE

Formation of the Earth * It collides Theia when forming Earth

Formation of Jupiter and Saturn NASA built Jupiter and Saturn with gas giants

i dont get it

The world is actually flat

When will to add the humans?

：)

This game is very fantastic! ! !

(meant to say that in red)

THAT was what the Great Debate was about? goshdarn!

British people XD

słabeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee

it will make water, seed, sand. this is eatrh.

I accidentally made a lemon shaped planet. Planets only come spherical in our world... :(

hay does anyone know of a game like this but with more elements and bigger scale?

Lawv Dis Gaem

@danstroyer i was disappointed

Just in case anybody else ever gets curious about the Great Debate, it appears the original question "What shape is the Universe?" has finally been answered. https://phys.org/news/2019-11-universe-rethink-cosmos.html

Giant meteor planet + meteor = you will not be disappointed

HA found you

guys it ain't showing

I renember wow wow wubbzy it is so funny like you just slap together the word KOOOOOOOOOOOOOKY and some random invention then add some dumbly presented "moral"

lol

who careeeeeeessssssssssssssssssss.................................

2019 and no update..

u r mr.gey-Vsauce 2010

Mundo De Teste

make pls acid,wind,astoroid,and monsters pls.

If the book is true then you will come back and check this shortly. Read the holographic universe

Make planet creations public

I luv it is like an anti-stress

What good physics

good to know i aint the only one that pops back from time to time.

hey can you plz check out my youtube channel and sub to me plz! name CBHC Chromebook! enjoy

Not many people comment here, so let's talk about shaggy. At this point I'm bored of this site and am trying to get people to talk about shaggy.

howdy folks! (I still exist)

I found this on the App Store.

popping by to say hi :)

Hey I enjoyed playing thank you so much

yo does anyone remember Wow Wow Wubbzy?

This game needs the upload feature.

Pika-pika-chuuuuuuuuuuuu!

i havnt been on this website in years

am i the only one that commented in 2018? no? okay.

FOR REAL!

I Did The Earths Formation Remake, Its Been Good In My Days

Hmm. This game is very intriguing, I like it.

water

I wish we could upload

I would like that the people that made the game put a new option saying : "Test planets" and include Mercury Venus, Earth, Mars, Jupiter, Saturn, Uranus, Neptune & Pluto. And more Elements

stop

A Dessert that you have to sing dance hug and run along it can also be a war too this planet declareing for that.

needs more EMEMENTS!!!!!>!!!!!!

needs more stuff! @ least as much as powder game has

HMMMMM..... I WONDER whats for DINNER! Mah Boi. This peace is what all true warriors strive FOR! Link, you have to scrub all the floors in Hyrule. Duke Onkled is under attack by the evil forces of Ganon.

Lol we need a way to upload XD _ _ _ _ | | | | |___,,,, | _____| { / / / I made a hand. Chance of glitch. Hopefully it works.

Huh theres a test?! CONTAIN IT! IT'S ESCAPED THE LAB!

Earth Editor ver2.8 Bug fix: smartphone + scroll

reeee i cant comment

i am a test

lol

Dodo duro Tito you guys high five giving.

I'm ab cosign up fo to focus go o Co do go to to to go to of the to to to go to go go up go go go go go go up to go to up all hmm I'm so in l go do k eh eh to to to go to go to take you to your us up if in in on the details do to it in it doesn't turn in his in your in in in in the the do it do do do do do to go see in case I'm do do to do do to do do do do do do do do is use is doing kill office goodnight idiot

It'd be cooler if this game had more elements, like how powder game 2 has lots of elements.

Just realized there's a limit to how much stuff you can put.. (Face palm)

pomf =3

Sometimes it stops working, but it's pretty good overall, except maybe more elements.

I'm Going to show How the Earth formed with Oil, Is It OK?

I Like it

Nice.

METEOR PLANET

thats in orange cuz lava

this is fun and i made a lava planet

This is REALLY fun!

so we going to war with russia guys?

Needs to have more elements, i like the game because you can shoot the planets with things unlike PG2... but we need more elements to work with #UpdateEE

AZMMING! i like playing!!!!

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they should add a way to upload creations cuz I made a snape head

This game is amazing I have it on my phone, but I was wondering if I could download Because it's a great game! btw great game keep it up!

This game is amazing I have it on my phone, but I was wondering if the could download can I. btw great game keep it up!

i made an earth

that comments

so cool! i made the pangea!

seed+bomb=wood

lol xd funi game

Earth is ball-shaped

The discussion is over.

Go to PG2, there is discussion about is earth flat or ball_shaped.

Oh my god this is Super cool

This is probably a shot in the dark, but does anyone have a full archive of the great debate?

Is it okay if i can make a video about it?

This is like one of the best games anyway can u add astriode or a commet they have to add thay

I made a secret element

I love this GAME

A QUE CLASE DE JUEGO ERES MOPE.IO!!! #YOY!!!

Que?

Hey! ALG0D00ing here. (My real name is Jake.) I'm here to how unpopular this game, well not game, thing is. The powder game 2 is better. Even I don't like.

Moon

They should add a community solar system, like 100bit but you can only make 1 planet..

powder game 2 is better than this and you can just place a BH and turn gravity off in powder game 2 and then it's like this game but better

Make people.

I think you should be able to upload your creations like Powder Game 1 & 2.

Rogue One Spoilers: EVERYONE DIES! :D

*Insert Imperial March Here*

Sometimes, I think of Meteors as TIE fighters or something like that which attack the other elements.

david

hi!! :D

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what is the planat of earth?

crazycat715#C5jZwTEA 2017/01/30 03:41 what do you use seeds for? You put them on sand to make trees but its works on size 1 so single click

what do you use seeds for?

20vm

i like how you can make more planets i like to pretend their fighting each other

Amazing!!!

Rly fapping game but so small size

nice idea and this website is great but this could do with more stuff - even if it's just stuff from Dust Game 2

For me. This game is so glitchy

Dude what ar jou saying

i likke thas game

I think Dan-Ball is so cool

It's Not a Bad Game It's A Good Game. But It's 11th on The Free Game List.

The Game Is Good I like It

That's Really Good

啊

This is fun

Is there a game like this that has more robust variables? Something with more dynamics? This concept is cool and I'd have to think there are other games like this. Thanks

Is this a game like this that has more robust variables? Something more dynamic and bigger

SarcophagI Bob battled a giant. Due to unforseen collisions with shrines and dignity, thou shall not become of the Pepsi Corporation, yes we will rise, no we will fall. We will dance like guitars on strollers into the dungeon of anti-electrons. "Wait a minute..." a minute bar of tungsten called out, we're not evil, we're the exact physical representation of chitnous plating! That is totally basket weaving safe, flat landers stated. However, Jerry the oblivious furnace will have to educate them on their ignorant beliefs regarding orbital defense on bean crop rotations for the sole purpose of regulating entropy. Sarlaccc! Sarlacc! Saaarlaaac! No quotation marks, hahaha! He is evil for not arousing that! Defend the ring, there are quintillion copies and we must find the one Jerry is using to summon Sarcophagi Bob!

I really do like this game.

what this earth

Really? You bother to update THIS!? Where's SR 17.5, hm? I had no idea it was ACTUALLY turning into HL3!

o k

Earth Editor ver2.7 Optimisation: 60fps Optimisation: FONT

asd

AYE

GOOD

GOOD

Hello there earthlings

Hate game

:(

LOLOLOLOLOL u mad broz I'm the new troll

@Chunky_Dunky That was for you.

New Star Wars Movie Spoilers: SHUT UP SHUT UP SHUT UP IMMA STAR WARS FAN AND DONT U FORGET IT!!!!

still preventing boredom 2016 :p

it looks like when you finished making earth you will blow it uplike an end of the world

noice

dear boner uhh why did you say that

i have a big boner

Well, I suppose if you were taking some sort of utilitarianist view you could argue that it would be the right choice to engineer an organism to only feel happiness. The first ethical problem, I think, would be 'does the organism want to be engineered in this way?' I think it would be fairly easy for outsiders to see the tyranny involved in engineering a group to only feel happiness, while they themselves might not feel tyrannised it could be possible that certain things would make them feel more happy than other things.

hoooooooooo

Large poo

kenji u know i had a friend named kenji in 3rd grade

I MADE EARTTH BEFORE ALL U DO IS PAUSE IT,THEN PUT EVERYTHING IN IT AND THE PRESS START THEN WATCH IT ALL GO TOGETHER AND IT CREATES EARTH!!!!!

☠Rip World☠

TK that reminds of pleb movies where races that apparently "don't feel emotions" get angry and so on

rip of of dust and dust 2

Hehe, this isn't how the earth was created. Blacks created it. And me, with my small loan of a million dollars and what not.

Would it be ethical to genetically engineer an organism to only feel happiness? I've been playing some far-future scifi games and the quote, "How can you tyrannize someone that does not feel pain?" stuck out to me as a damn good question.

this game needs an update

NEW STAR WARS MOVIE SPOILERS: HAN SOLO DIES HAN SOLO DIES HAN SOLO DIES

This game is so cool, if there was an ios app of it, i'd buy it

why there not a "update" button in this game ?!?

#piggydies

bird

ikr, this needs updates! like an actual planet that's done and everything that you can place

this deserves an update

There has been an awakening, have you felt it?

SCREW YOU!

SHUT UP WHITE MALES

CHICKEN CHICKEN CHICKEN CHICKEN CHICKEN CHICKEN BOK BOK BOK (yes, I know I'm weird.)

LOVE this game!!! I made a Supernova and two galaxies collide!

can't make eath

Any thoughts about those protests at Yale?

démo

nice game

Lovely judging the complexity and work done towards the game.

at first I did not know that all of the sand and suff like that would gust float straight up to that little dot in the sinter

That's assuming the actual universe has all the same dimensions that ours does, even though it doesn't have to. Think of it this way: We inhabit 3 spacial dimensions and 1-2 time ones. (I think we'll find out if there's more than one time dimension with the results of the first few time-travel experiments.) When we make a simulation, it has to be lesser than what we have for about the same reason as what your friend stated, so why the assumption that ours is "complete"? That's basically the same thing as Descartes going from "I exist" to "God exists" for no other reason than because the alternative makes them uncomfortable to consider. There's no real reason why the real universe wouldn't have , say, a 4th spacial dimension- and therefore have infinitely more resources to run our simulation of 3.

The Debate has become a Reasonably Civil Conversation. Vive le Bourgeoisie! Here's something for you to attempt to debate: One of my chums who is more sciencey than me said that the idea of this universe being a simulation is untrue because to simulate a universe the entire resources of a universe would be need to run the simulation. Is this true? Fight it out!

The Debate is in its 3rd (or 5th, I lost count) death throe, due to a lack of opposing viewpoints. If the established pattern holds up it should liven up sometime in the next year or so the next time some bored smart kid wanders around the site for a bit instead of going over schoolwork.

Okay, is [email protected] new?

Okay, seriously? This is still going after all this time? Props for being able to retain people, I guess.

Great game Make an update

I did a quiz which said I was a Left Coast person, then I answered it slightly differently and was told I am a Yankee.

lol

I have not, but it seems valid to me. I love that the Pacific-most "nation" is called the "Left Coast" instead of the "West Coast". "We don't need your standard compass directions here, we've got trees and Starbucks for that stuff!"

Hmmm i cant seem to play most games on this website, but im glad this one works

Have any of you lot heard about the eleven North American 'nations' theory?

I wish they had this game on iPad I'm on iPad and I can play it without using a app it's kinda laggy but still a lot of fun

I'd love to but it seems every topic that gets brought up dies immediately, and after 5-6 years of keeping it alive I'm finally out of ideas. I still pop in though, a few times a month.

sometimes i just wish tk would come back and bless this chat with how cool he is

Hey Fishes And Awesomeness Are The Same Person!!!

DO LISTEN TO THIS PERSON THEY ARE NOT A SKELETON! THEY HAVE FEELINGS! EVERYBODY DOES! || V

I'm not a >< (((*>, I'm just saying this cause T_T and be cause of '__'. SERIOUSLY!!

Earth Editor ver2.6 HTML5 version.

You can actually make a gravity ball course with black hole and pen shot. It is cool.

it wouldnt let me play i have java the latest

HOW DARE YOU?! I'LL HAVE YOUR HEAD STEWED IN YOUR OWN ENTRAILS, YOU FILTHY KNAVE!

DO NOT LISTEN TO THIS PERSON THEY ARE A SKELETON || V

Yogh, I'm back.

:p Does anyone remember Lashawna?

hay

You are comparing the effects of one thing on many people, versus the effects of something on just one person. Nuclear weapons that would be used today wouldn't be the same as the ones used on Hiroshima and Nagasaki, they would be much, much worse, almost 0% survival chance if you were anywhere near it, the pressure wave that would be formed would be 20-50x stronger than the ones formed in WW2 at the same ratio of distance.

They didn't have any problem with the extended firebombings that littered WW2, nor chemical attacks in WW1 or the weaponized plagues in earlier wars. Though to be fair, the damage nuclear weapons pose to human lives and livelihoods is much lower than most of those previous methods. Being at ground-zero of a mustard gas attack is one of those things you probably wouldn't want to survive; while both nuclear strikes share a single survivor who- as far as I know- is still fairly healthy for a man as old as he is.

I really do wonder if any country especially the west would fire a nuke back if one was fired at them, Imagine that in the history books a country responding by committing mass murder of innocents.

RED

i forgot to mention that i played all i could see and now i am afraid that there will never be an update

@whatevername: Uhh, well before I would have said the gravity effects, but since that went into pg2 the only things are fire destroying water and a solid-earth substance (wall) that can be broken into loose earth (sand). Also, meteors are basically thunder that affected by gravity. @mg: How would you go about deciding what makes a "great" power? Historically that term is applied to perceived military strength or size; and since nuclear weapons are the most powerful weapon we've ever made, then shouldn't the mere act of developing a nuclear stockpile make a nation "great" enough to fairly own nuclear weapons? Or is this more an issue with land-area/economic strength?

i have a question what are the unique feature of earth editor that pg1/2 lack(aside from the obvious elements...)

Well, I'll be darned, I didn't think anyone had posted yet... Anyway, I agree with you that deterrence is mostly working. In my ideal world only the greatest powers (Russia, China and America) could hold nuclear weapons and they would only be allowed fifty each, enough in my opinion to serve as an effective deterrent but not enough to bring a complete end to civilized life on Earth if they were used. Also, an international body would have to right to strip the country of nuclear weapons if they saw fit. Unfortunately, that's not going to happen as I doubt Britain, France, Pakistan, Israel, India and North Korea would want to give up their nukes.

post already mg

Just in case a third buffer comment is required.

I'm only posting this here because MG requested it so he could post here again <3

Morally I'm opposed to any sort of militant aggression against civilians, since nuclear weapons are meant to be used against population centers to attack enemy morale they're naturally at the top of my "Stop doing that!" list. However, since nuclear weapons have only been deployed in war twice, and since the intensity and regularity of wars have been in gradual decline since WW2... I'd say that nuclear deterrence is actually working somehow, and it's probably in our species' best interest to keep it up until separate governments are done away with and make militarism pointless.

Well then. What's your position on the morality of the nuclear deterrent and MAD?

...Which is why China's gonna psych us all out and take over the world. Another funny moment was when Richard Nixon debated the virtues of Capitalism and the American way of life with Nikita Khrushchev in a model kitchen at the World's Fair: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kitchen_Debate

Welp, that one died. How about something less serious? Like what was the funniest event in history? I'd go with this one time, in ancient China, a general (I forget his name) was put in charge of defending a city from attack from a numerically and technologically superior army. He rightly decides a straight fight is suicidal, so instead he has the gates wide open and sets a table and chairs to enjoy himself some free-tea in front of the unguarded gate. When the army gets there, they are treated to the sight of a middle-aged military-dude famous for winning dozens of battles in clever and/or underhanded ways, sitting around the gate he's supposed to be holding, drinking tea and inviting the invaders to come and join him. They decided that it was obviously a trap, so the entire army turns around and leaves rather than try to take the "bait" and bring some horrible tea-scented doom on their heads.

sorry my friend typed that

maniacs

The thing that's in the way isn't growing the crops, it's making sure that people can still eat the crops. Nobody grows marijuana in a basement just to eat it, they do it for the chemicals produced by the plant to defend itself from herbivores. Edible plants need to have a lot of calories to be viable for food, too little and you end up with "negative calories" a plant that takes more energy to digest than it gives us when ingested- like celery is naturally. To produce calories, a plant needs access to a huge amount of energy, such as the sun, but to farm it underground at a similar quality we'd either need an entirely new crop that doesn't use photosynthesis or else a lot more power than we currently have. Plus, at the moment the most viable renewable energy source is the sun, so we'd be collecting light to turn into electricity to turn back into light to feed to the underground crops. Even without taking waste heat into account that sounds crazy. The roads thing I don't know, I suppose the issue there would be finding a material translucent enough to let decent amounts of light through while strong enough to hold up under moderate-high traffic. -- To be fair to the 19th century, a fatalistic attitude was probably one of the only ways for the educated "common born" to deal with the fact that their lives were basically worthless compared to the aristocracy.

Surely there must be a way of growing crops underground efficiently. This may be using LED lighting that produces UV. This type of lighting also aloes weed to grow faster and have more potency compared to the Classic way of growing the weed. Perhaps there could be a way of automating the growing by having farms at every house in the country or world but that would mean a massive change in society, but I don't know to be honest with you, Another idea is making roads and other open areas work like one way glass. You could build a massive farm under a place like london have the roads be used as a way of transferring UV to underneath them while being durable for people to walk on and cars to run on ect. If you get me ?

Mass death, yes, and I'm being facetious, because facetiousness is the best type of ness.

I don't really have a good idea in regards to overpopulation meaning I haven't formed a full opinion about it. I was told once by a college mate of mine that the earths population could fit in a tiny area, but to be honest, imagine how crowned that would be. On the other hand, we as modern day humans have never really pondered on creating space for living and growing food (people grow weed in lofts so) underground. So that could help the space problem, also surely there must be a way to give the human body nutrients without the need to have mass crops and farm animals. To me it's more to do with enjoying the experience of eating rather the efficiency. Or... We can follow the ideas of Nikola Tesla and perform Eugenics on humanity as a way of forcing evolution rather than letting it happen.

Mass death? People probably thought that mass was natural as well, at least in the christian parts of the world. I don´t understand the "different mode of thought"-part though. Are you saying "our" mode of thought should change?

Or we could go to a different mode of thought like 19th Century people who said that famines and mass were a natural and necessary part of life.

Just saying, vertical farming is not too difficult...

Actual living space aside, I think what we'll really be limited by is how much food we can grow before there's a mass famine. Since making food depends on the availability of a balanced ecosystem to base production on, and there's pretty much nothing like that out in space to harvest from, I figure we'll ultimately be limited by how thin we can spread our already limited fertile soil.

I haven't said anything here in a while, so here it goes: Yeah, there's more than enough space if people were to start expanding into areas like Greenland and Antarctica before the population expansion starts to stabilize like IjimeDame says (although it probably wouldn't even be really necessary in most areas if it is only around 11 billion). The only problem is, I don't see people in highly-populated places like India and China wanting to travel to those areas in the first place, let alone even affording it. But of course, as technologies advance, they might even start building underwater colonies or off-world settlements if things start to get really out of hand... ...Or we could just go all Soylent Green ;)

I do not think "overpopulation" will be an issue. Most demographers predict the population will stabilize at 11 billion people, and there is more than enough land to support all of them. If you take into consideration technological advancement and the implementation of current technology into agriculture it is even less plausible.

Now if only there were something interesting enough to talk about for more than 5 posts. How about "overpopulation"? The global population is estimated to be over 7.5 billion now, that's up from 6 billion in only a few decades. At what point will we run out of space to put everybody?

Hay yes I am and ive been awesome. Its nice to see you are still on this :P

Oh hey, kyoto's back. Awesome. How have you been?

Really nice I must say. Easy to use too! I made the earth with lava and water and that was it. (of course, I added seeds for land!)

Hallo.

ANOTHER WARM DEBATING BODY!

hay dudes :) remember me TK? haha i am gonna start talking on this again

http://online.wsj.com/articles/holiday-weekend-retail-sales-sink-11-1417376714 Looks like people in America are growing tired of Black Friday... Also, I can see if you're in a relevant industry, like fashion or outdoor equipment getting ready for Spring early, but not actually selling Spring-related merchandise in the middle of Winter.

I heard today that shops in Ireland art doing Black Friday sales now, I'm sort of annoyed, it being an American thing invading here and whatnot but there were good offers on Steam. I think before December is too early for Christmas ads but it is sort of acceptable as long as it isn't before Halloween. One thing that annoys me is shops advertising seasonal things far before that season has arrived, like Spring stuff in January or February. February is not a Spring month at all despite what people might say.

@mysteryguy200?: I'm just glad they waited until November before breaking out the fake snow and Santa voice-overs, last year I saw an inflatable snowman on display at Walmart before most people had their Halloween decorations up. @NorbertLinuxGuy: Not really, the general theme of puritans finally figuring out how to farm in the new world and having dinner with a few generous natives doesn't lend itself well to commercialism.

I cant here upload ?

very cool game

Does Thanksgiving have any songs of its own?

CHRISTMAS MUSIC BEING PLAYED BEFORE THANKSGIVING? DO YOU AGREE OR DISAGREE? Discuss.

Cough

people say I havge no friends amd I fart in jars

Привет людям данболлчана

Ёбаные ошибки Жабы не дают нормально мне поигратьв эту игру

Its broken :/

@NorbertLinuxGuy: What about Transnistria?

On another topic, what do you lot think about interventionism and non-interventionism.

I'd kind of assume there wasn't any vote rigging going but my only reason for that is because the UK is supposed to a 'Civilised Western State' and whatnot.

PLEASE add stone!!!!!!!!!

I'm no expert in video editing, so I can't be certain if this is real or not, but at face value it looks like there was shenanigans gong on during the Scotland vote tallying. http://youtu.be/LbJif7vISQg

derp

Its the debates again.

I was trying to say earlier that I agree with TK about Balkanisation. I think that in Western Europe at least, countries could become independent without any violence and they may be driven to be more economically competitive. Apart from Catalonia though, I don't really see any likely candidates for independence in Western Europe in the near future unless Europe is swept by a wave of nationalism. I actually thought from the start that Catalonia has been a bit more likely to become independent since it's the richest part of Spain and and is a bit more culturally seperate from the rest of Spain than Scotland is from England. Also, I think that had Scotland not gone into a union with England at all it would be better off today, due to the fact a native Scottish government would invest into Scotland and that it would have to compete with England in trade and industry.

Well, looks like Scotland will be part of the UK, after all. The problem with European Balkanization in my opinion is that it reverses the oftentimes bloody 500 year process of unifying Europe from the hundreds of small warring feudal states into a collection of a couple dozen mostly peaceful countries. If nations begin splintering on ethnic, religious and political lines holding together large political bodies like the EU and NATO will be a much more difficult task (And benefit Russia, which would love to see NATO and the EU crumble.) In short, I think that the risk of tension and disunity that would befall Europe would outweigh the positives of self-determination and independence for minority groups in Europe.

The only thing I can see it affecting is financial stuff; they'd be cutting themselves off from the security of a high population base to tax, on the other hand the UK's been treating Scotland as an industrial center since the days when naval power depended on having a good source of tar to waterproof massive ships- so it's not as if they'd suddenly be without major sources of income. I'm mostly indifferent to European Balkanization, the place has always been made of about a hundred different tribes/nations/ethnic groups that just happened to unite over the centuries through royal ties, religion, and much more recently political ideals. As long as it stays nonviolent I'd say the diversity of mindsets and cultures is probably a good thing.

I'd like to see Scotland get it's independence. As for 'Balkanisation of Europe' it's going two ways, regions are looking for independence and autonomy but the EU is also getting more influence. The main two places in Western Europe that look like they could get independence at the moment are: Scotland (depending on how the referendum turns out) and Catalonia.

Well, since this conversation has gone stale, what are your opinions on Scottish independence? I can get behind the idea of self-determination but I don't really like the whole idea of the Balkanization of Europe.

Yeah, Eastern Europe is especially reliant on Russian gas. Some countries get 100% of it from Russia, Germany get's 37%.

True, but the fossil fuel that Europe relies on Russia for is natural gas and America produces that at five times the rate of Canada: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_natural_gas_production

@Ponderous: ...Riiight... Did you have anything productive you'd like to add to the conversation? Back on topic, Canada would probably be just as likely to help if not more so. Since they produce even more fossil fuels than the US but only consume it at like, a fifth of the rate we do.

Hello. I am very ponderous. *ponders*

I don't know about the Greenland gas route but I've heard talk that America could export its suddenly abundant amount of natural gas to Europe so Russia couldn't keep hanging that over Europe's head as a threat.

Doesn't Denmark produce a lot of oil through Greenland? It couldn't get that bad if they do.

Well them stopping selling gas to Europe could cause some problems.

I've heard that Starbucks is only in two locations in Russia, in Moscow and Rostov-On-Don, so I don't think it has as much of an overwhelming reach as McDonald's. (That and I imagine the elite of Russia are more likely to visit Starbucks than McDonald's.) Regardless, I don't see how Russia sanctioning itself is supposed to hurt America/EU.

Huh. I wonder if Starbucks is next?

Ew, mcdonalds.

Putin's not lovin' it anymore: http://www.nytimes.com/2014/08/22/world/europe/mcdonalds-a-fast-food-symbol-of-america-falls-in-moscow.html One has to wonder how many American products and brands that people love can be taken away before there's a backlash...

Well, I don't know what the movie is but Norbert the Dragon is fabulous.

I don't even know what the Norbert movie or dragon is.... ...But there is a Communism/Capitalism debate springing up on the PG comments. We can bring our much-needed analysis there.

The movie or the dragon?

Norbert is very amazing a lot.

That's a great idea for a debate topic! What's everyone's opinion on norbert?

norbert

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/company-unlocks-secret-to-making-plastic-out-of-air/ We live in a world where not only is alchemy proven science, but a profitable and world-saving science at that..

Is Cool

Cool

Maybe he could finish his remaining three years of his second term before handing over the reins to somebody else.

I Look Too Handsome , But There's A Hole In My Head ...

I don't think he'd be able to, since he's already won two elections already. Sure, he never completed the second one, but the law's the law.

Why are people talking about me?...

He would be full health non-zombie Lincoln mysteriously raised from the dead. I'd be interested in seeing how many votes he'd get in the South.

@MG Well, would he be exactly the same as before, or would he be all zombie-like? I'm assuming he would get quite a bit of votes. @no fair Because the game needs something to run it, just like you need an Xbox to play Halo 4 or whatever the kids are doin' now a days. :/ It's not one of those "register to play" things, the game NEEDS Java to work.

If Abraham Lincoln came back to life and announced his intention to run for President of the United States would he win? Would anyone run against him?

why do you need java to play

Is P NP?

plz add lasers

This game is fun and addictive but please add more powders and make it more stable when adding things like more than one planets

And SR, (but he skipped ver1.1 so look it over).

@ryan I agree, but Powder Game seems the main attraction to Dan-ball

This could be good on mobile phones, looking at how Powder Game Viewer turned out.

land and water

Well, I suppose there would be people who wouldn't want to live in a simulation, apart from that I can't really think of any ethical problems with it.

check it out...

@Kev/Mr P Evert We know you're the same guy because your code.

Yeah, just move everyone into cyberspace and store their bodies in a closet or something. Everyone not 100% needed outside would sit in a box and dream about living with everyone else on the planet in. (Assuming that our species resorted to a simulation because other methods like space-colonization were somehow impossible.)

How would this simulation work? Would it be like mind-uploading?

Ethics of transferring some or all of the human population into a simulation for space-efficiency?

The P Ervert guy is a creep!

I soooo kill children hehehe

MAKE IT AN APP THIS IS THE BEST OF UR GAMES AND IT WOULD BE AWESOME TO HAVE IT AS AN APP!!!!!!

Dude, he doesn't read comments.

AWSOME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Make it an APP!!!!!!!! PLEASE!!!!

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I was going to say that but the censor wouldn't let me.

@hi Why can't we? We are talking about our world on an world making game.

@Hi: It's tradition. Just get used to it.

Why r u on about the world on a game

I meant to write that (and some other stuff) when it was first posted, but then my internet died.

That post was from more than a week ago. Things have changed now.

Either way? I'd have thought Russia was quite firmly set against the West by now.

NKorea's certainly considers itself our arch-nemesis, Russia's position is a little iffy at the moment and could go either way, but China's more of a rival than an enemy. One doesn't tailor their entire economy to supply an enemy's enormous consumption, that's a support/placation tactic.

Well, America does have a lot of enemies, i.e Russia, China and N. Korea.

I'd say it's more that we don't expect much from friends and family, since the general culture's been one of self-reliance since colonial times and we've only gotten more fanatical about it since the Cold War started. Having to ask someone for assistance in anything is usually looked down on as a failure to self-determine, though I can't think of many that would say 'no' to helping if the one in trouble had a reliable reputation.

nice game

Wikipedia has a page about friendship and it compares friendship in different places, it seems Americans have the worst friends.

Meep Rulez

dude its easy

wow u have no clue how to play

how do u play game

update adding new elements please

Wow

Let's try this again: http://i.imgur.com/szpGwDy.png

mrtors

Yeah, I agree, I was more thinking of AIs though. What if they were 'otherwise sapient beings' and more intelligent than humans I'd doubt people would give up power easily, even if an AI could be better at ruling/making decisions. Or people might become cyborgs and make themselves equal to AIs.

Impossible to compare: SR and MB are completely different games with completely different goals that just happen to share the same graphics and characters.

Here's a debate: Is Stick Ranger better than Monster Box?

Manual labor's sure to be completely automated; 'cause even human laborers just sort of set themselves in a pattern to work efficiently so having a robot in that role would probably just reduce boredom-based mistakes. But you can't really automate the act of creating a new precedent, so management, design, and research positions would all have to be filled with human beings. (Or otherwise sapient beings.) So I imagine that we'll end up with a system of millions of think-tanks bouncing ideas at eachother, and computers dutifully following along the most popular solutions. (Ignoring the possibility of AIs and the various ethical problems associated with keeping what would basically be a modern-day caste system.)

So, do you think we'll ever get to a stage where we have robots and computers doing all our work? And how that might work out.

It's not just full "apocalypses" though. What about the movies like 2001 Space Odyssey or games like Portal. Just some generally evil AIs. @stixx Thou make'th no sense. What about "Shoot Yellow Headcrab (OS)" instead?

@stixx, I looked up that exact phrase and couldn't find anything related to AIs. Are you just babbling randomly again?

I've never liked the idea of AI-based Armageddon like "Skynet", a fully-sentient machine spanning the globe and capable of reprogramming other machines to do it's bidding? Humans can be a lot of things, but we're not a threat to something like that- it'd just too big and nebulous to be attacked by us without our tools simply shutting off. The EMP and nuclear fallout from the initial barrage would be a bigger threat, and if anything it'd probably just scramble the passwords to access the nukes before deconstructing them still in the silos.

There are SOOOO many robot-based apocalypses... People would be killed, either way, as they'd start to run out of resources, or one side would nuke the capital of another side, and ect... I'd say better, though.

Robots going to war will save human lives, but wouldn't there be a small chance that something might go wrong (hint-the Terminator?) Its still rather unlikely though.

I'm much of the same opinion, but I imagine there'd be more hiccups with nobody on site to correct a problem when it becomes apparent. Like that one time a while back with the newly-built cruiser that shut down in the middle of the ocean. Apparently it happened 'cause the US Navy forgot to remove a "divide by zero" error the manufacturer programs the engines with to deter theft. The error knocked out all ability to move, steer, and communicate with the rest of the Navy- they had to wait for another ship to pass nearby to even let anyone know they were stuck. They couldn't even lower the anchor, 'cause those things are several tons and simply can't be budged without electronic assistance; so the entire ship was basically drifting around with the currents for a week or so with no real idea of when they might get rescued. I can easily imagine dozens of automated ships that got lost just off the shores of another modernized country, which were then interpreted as a gathering sneak-attack by local recon drones and jump-starting WW3 before anyone can explain the mistake.

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i like it

@stixx44 I decided to go away for a while and see what was happening when I came back, and I also forgot to say anything any time earlier. @TK Entire battles/conflicts fought by unmanned armies would get rid of a lot of the killing in war. Cyberwarfare would become more important, war would be less 'warlike' so to speak, battles would be even more so a test of which side can spend the most money on equipment.

Boom!

Unmanned warfare. Better or worse than "normal" warfare?

@NorbertLinuxGuy Where the heck were you! @184bzebra9486 You, don't imposterize STS or your account is deleted! @StarTrekSpock Zebra will impersonate me next and say he same thing.

i like the game its so cool :)

Das ist true.

The thing that I like about EE that Pg2 doesn't have are meteor, pen-shot, and how bomb and meteor do more damage if they're going faster.

Earth

scyskraper. There. Problem solved.

I wishs I could upload some planets. Then again, just remove the valls from powder game 2 switch off the gravity and put a black hole in the middle and then it is better than this earth editor.

Hollo

Oh, RCA did fine on PERISH 14, do you think? I wanna do PERRRRRRRRRISH for it please! I was assigned 18 but then, same when RCA quit PERISH 10 when NuttyBanana said he thought he had 17 but you told him now ITS ME! Like franse did! I will put swastikas every where like he did! I should on PG.

IT should be s.k.y .c.r.a.p.e.r STS.

Uhg, I h.a.t.e these censoring things. When someone wants to say something vulgar, they just put a . In it or spell it wrong. The only time it ever censors anything is in words like s.k.y.s.c.r.a.p.e.r

... Sometimes it seems like these censorship rules only apply to me.

Maybe it's the same number of diseases, but intercontinental trade spreads them around to more forests.

I think they are reported more, but are also increasing due to climate change and global warming, like the pine beetle population not being limited by colder temperatures.

Are there more diseases that kill trees nowadays or are the diseases just better reported now?

Well this is odd. I've just been reading lots of stuff about space travel and planetary habitability, and suddenly everyone else is talking about it too.

@StarTrekSpock I do know what we're talking about, I knew that Σsigma doesn't come here often so...

I agree. --- @stixx Just give up. I don't think you know what we're talking about.

@Siggy You don't come on this board often so... Would you like a grape?

Scientists have found a planetary object much like Earth, except it's 8 times bigger. So it doesn't have to be exactly the size of Earth for it to support life. It also doesn't have to have the same size star. The yellow star is typical, but there can be an Earth-like object if it's about twice the distance away from a blue star, or half the distance from a red star. The conditions allow a much more common Earth than we thought, and therefore a much more common chance of advanced life.

well i thing the game is great but i wish there were peps in this game

@StarTrekSpock Here we go with before again.

Probably, on the other hand, you'd probably also have to stretch the definition of "similar". Researchers might land on this hypothetical 'Goldilocks' planet and find ecosystems identical to those during the Precambrian Explosion, but that still would be wholly alien to most life that's available to study today. I imagine the greatest similarities we can expect will be chemical in nature.

If Earth like planets provide the conditions suitable for complex life, does that mean that life on similar planets would be similar to life on Earth?

@stixx Talk about what on Pg1 and Pg2? --- In related news... Enceladus isn't in the dictionary... --- Yeah, my bets are on Europa, and maybe Titan, if you want to believe in lifeforms living in liquid methane. VVV

I think some of the moons are more likely to have life. Not Mars' moons but other ones in the solar system.

@StarTrekSpock Its like this. Should we talk about this on PG and PG2?

@Tk It could be a symbiotic relationship, where one species of bacteria or primitive multicellular life, would make a nutrient for another, and vice-versa. As for energy, They could be living off whatever radiation seeps through the ice or off radioactive elements in the soil and rocks, like some microbes on Earth. @Stixx No... I don't think I've ever sent a delete request for one of Sigma's uploads.

When they say they deleted it I don't get it! I don't stand it. When someone says you did better. The oher player deletes it because the turn against me and go crazy! @StarTrekSpock Did you delete request Σsigma's upload ideas one time? I would say this on PG or PG2.

Well, ice does make a good insulate for heat. But how would subterranean Martian life possibly get any nutrients though? Nothing can get to the surface without dying and the planet probably doesn't get much solar energy being how far from the Sun it is. By my reasoning, it was a closed system from the start that steadily built up entropy until the system collapsed and everything died.

Exactly. I heard about the water flows or wet spots they could see from space that would disappear in a few hours after being sighted. This means there could be subterranean water O.o VVV

I read that there was a possibility of there being life underground in caves and near gas vents if there were any on Mars.

If I just said so, I wouldn't so...

Yeah, there probably is no native life, but if there is, it could be destroyed by any Earth bacteria or viruses, or just infect the inhabitants. --- Hmm... I hadn't thought of that. For life could be a long time, especially if they start breeding. Being old and the last person on the planet would get pretty lonely...

I thought it was established by previous missions that any life up there died out when the water froze? I think the main issue on that front would be any bacteria the crew carries with them. By the time "Mars 2" or whatever rolls around those germs will probably have been isolated from the general population for anywhere from a few years to a few decades, and given how bacteria typically handle low-none gravity it might jumpstart the next Bubonic Plague billions of miles away from any help that such afflicted would otherwise receive.

Well, their gonna get seven years of training, so I hope they'll know how to put up a simple camera. --- That reminds me of a movie called " Sunshine," where the sun was dying, so they sent a ship with a massive cube of uranium to re-start it, but one of the crew went crazy and killed everyone. --- It wouldn't be very good if there is any kind of native life, and someone contaminates the surface with rhinovirus, or something. --- You can learn from this, stixx.

No stixx, if you don't have anything to add about your preferred subject then you also have no reason to complain when we don't discuss your preferred subject. Can we trust them to set up the cameras correctly? I don't watch reality TV if I can help it, but from what I've observed, contestants don't have a terribly good grasp on most things that aren't treachery. Honestly I'm kind of scared it just might end up as a Lord of the Flies sort of thing, where Earth audiences end up hopelessly watching the "tribe" murder dissidents with the airlock. That would probably be both the worst possible and best fitting legacy for humanity's 3rd step out into space.

Yeah, I don't think they'll have an actual film crew. They'll probably just get the 'subjects' to tape themselves, along with any security cameras they might put up. It would be a really successful show, though... --- A woman from around where I live actually made it to the 3rd from last selection group. O.o

You mean the reality TV show that revolves around a bunch of awful people getting sent as far away from Earth as humans have ever traveled in all time? Yes, I think that's a rather progressive move for everyone involved. Except for the film crew, they're probably getting payed minimum wage to go to that distant, lifeless hell-scape. I really hope they use robots for that instead.

@StarTrekSpock Meat loaf. The cake is a lie. --- *Streches toe to feel comfortable*

Delicious and moist? Oh, I frogot, the cake is a lie... --- Oh, and I thought of another debate topic; that Mars One thing, and their one way trip to Mars.

Just start with one Truism and work your way up: I think, therefore cake is delicious.

I read stixx's posts and I don't know what to think about life any more.

???....... No..... Just ignore which account I use... It's what I say that matters... Here, hows this: --- Stixxy, do me a little favor, and make more 'cents' in your comments.

Guys I think we're supposed to pretend that we don't know that STS is Pg master.

Stixxy, do me a little favor, and make more 'cents' in your comments. ;)

@robo7988142 You can do that in Pg2 and upload there too. @STS Omega16 might want to see some uploads of us we uploaded last year because he's comment around new years day and I should say it on PG or PG2 but I don't care really about it so...

i created an alien planet what well you create in this game?

Blauw

Right, whatever. (-V-) I suppose you have something new to add beyond a chastisement to stay "on-topic"? 'Cause I personally don't see many meaningful avenues that wouldn't end in propaganda.

Why can't I comment, stixx? --- @Tk Good times, good times...

Ah yes, I remember now. That went off into a lovely tangent on entertainer-based perpetual motion machines and the science that could blossom from such things. Good times.

@stixx44: Sounds like you're going through a similar phase like the one I did when I was 11; I had somehow gotten it in my head that I had MPD, despite the fact that multiple personalities rarely know about each other and it was better described as "getting in character". (Or schizophrenia, but that doesn't usually surface until after puberty.) Are you under the impression that we're all just in character and don't really act anything like this IRL? (I can't speak for the others, but I don't change much save for getting slightly less talkative.) @Helion Prime: Welcome back, I totally did not forget who you are! Really, I didn't. (Something about space I think? I think you were here when we talked about space once, my memory has never been good for specific details.)

@【IS MASTER】 NLG? NorbertLinuxGuy? I think he's saying that Europe mostly needs to speak two languages because its tourists speak different languages. Man, I haven't been here in soooo long...

I know and what the heck NLG is talking about Spock? And my colors are all the same and all are my normal color. And TK, I do that because I have to talk to my self sometimes. You don't need to be alarmed unless if you want to.

Well, DUH! Of course you did the same thing, stixx. --- I thing were supposed to pretend that we don't know Is master is stixx.

Stixx44, why are you messaging yourself? Should we be alarmed?

@broseph Yes, but we needed a random debate comment board, so... There are a few on-topic comments if you scroll down. -STS

I like Pink.

the game is pretty cool wait shouldn't we be commenting on it ---broseph

I think the reason for people in Europe being bilingual is mostly because of tourism.

I wanted to try to see if my name would be bold. I know Italian because my dad's parents were born in Italy but they moved here to United States of America. ---stixx44

Not knowing that English is spoken in the US would be a pretty impressive amount cultural-blindness. Now that we've lost the prestigious title of "fattest nation in the world" to Mexico, the lack of bilingual civilians is one of the few stereotypes that can legitimately be tossed across the Atlantic at us.

So, were you assuming I didn't know that English was spoken in the US and that TK didn't know when it was founded?

I already knew that Scotland is a COUNTRY!!!!!!!!!!! *Shmashes head and Elavator Farts* @STS Yeah!!!!!!! I kinda knew that because I went on Wikipedia and some programming from USA is also at some other countries too.

Lol, Tk. A lot of the tv here in Canada is from the U.S. So, I actually know a fair bit about the State's. ·-·

I'd bet $20 that stixx44 thinks Scotland is the 67th state, and that that's why he brought it up.

@stixx44: No way, that can't possibly be true and I don't believe you. I'll bet you'll also say that America has it's own special flag, too. Or that Bald Eagles are the US's mascot and that the Liberty Bell has a crack in it. Take your filthy lies elsewhere.

What does America have to do with this? And why are you telling us stuff we should know anyway?

Well, both Scotland and Wales both have a lowercase 'l'. For Scotland and Slovenia. Well, they both start with a capital 'S'. @NLG USA uses the language English. @TK USA was a country when the colonies (states of the 1770's) formed our country. @STS Like you said: Well, they both start with a capital 'S'. Is good, about.

The general trend in the UK is that Scotland and Wales have been getting more and more autonomy. There aren't really any big cultural differences but the different places have different histories and their own languages (which England tried to wipe out in earlier times).

@TK Did you know that STS and 【PG MASTER】 are the same guy.

I feel sorry for you now... We could talk about useless websites ·-·

Seriously, a week ago I nearly broke down crying in hopelessness.

If only there was a topic, unless we're still doing Scotland's possible independence. I'm afraid I don't have much to add on that point though, since the only thing I know for sure about the Scottish government is that they have over 5 official websites and absolutely none of them are directed at people researching the culture with no intention of voting or moving there.

Don't you know simon? This comment board is reserved for debates that have absolutely nothing to do with EE. ;D

this game is kinda cool

Well, there is a campaign for an independent state, but unlike Quebec, there's not much thought given to patriotic notions or culture, the debate is mostly about the economy.

*have much

I don't have have research on Scotland completed yet, since Slovenia seemed like it'd be harder to find information on. (And it was, 80% of everything that might be remotely useful was in Slovenian.) Are you talking about a nationalist-secession movement like what's been going on for a few years in Quebec or the current limited autonomy Scotland already has?

I don't think any countries start with lower case letters, at least not in English. Does anyone here have an opinion on Scottish independence?

Well, they both start with a capital 'S'

So how do Scotland and Slovenia compare?

Sounds good. What should the next debate be?

In any case, how about we just agree to disagree on how humans came to dominate the biosphere?

I've got finals to study for and a half-finished 5-page paper on the economic and political landscape of Slovenia in comparison to Scotland.

It seems this debate's dead.

Testing please disregard this message

what actually is going on ITT

That's what I'm trying to say. VVV

It's the result of better critical thinking, human behaviour, that I think separates humans from animals.

Plenty of animals display critical thinking traits; elephants, dolphins, large parrots, crows, ravens, other "Great Apes" like orangutans and chimpanzees... All those are animals that have displayed a recognition of their own reflection, tool-use, coordinated planning, and agency detection; some chimpanzee troupes have been observed bartering food for services like grooming and baby-sitting. What does separate us, even from other primates, is that our thumbs are fully-opposable, our legs are built to let gravity take over half the strain of walking upright, and the musculature of our arms are capable of throwing with some amount of accuracy. (Plenty of animals could feasibly produce throwing spears, but we're the first that were actually able to take full advantage of that.)

Humans have the compacity for critical thinking, and we show it. If animals do have it, they don't seem to show it. So, like was said. We are mostly driven by "whatever we want to do" and not instinct. Humans are also 'che.ating' were animals have to fight with claws, we have weapons. Because of this, I say we should respect animals and protect biodiversity, as they don't have technology for themselves.

There aren't many cases where it can be said that logic even disagreed with human instincts, even fewer where the process prevailed. It wouldn't be fair to compare the broad activities of human actions with the broad actions of every other life-form combined. But if you single out a single animal of a single species, account for their lack of education and the inherent needs demanded by their unique physiology, and tally for every action they take in pursuit of those needs, I don't think you'd find much difference in logical action between that and a human. I'm of the opinion that we've just got the advantages of vocal chords, nearly supernatural endurance and versatile graspers to live longer and keep track of data for longer periods of time.

Humans are not quite as tied down to survival as animals are.

I think that humans are more accountable for their actions because they can have a much greater effect on the world than the actions of animals. Also, humans have an understanding of the environment and ecosystems and can base decisions on logic rather than pure instinct (though perhaps logic is an instinct as well).

Not the point I was making, I'm aware of genetic drift, tectonics and all that. I was just rephrasing the initial "humans transplanting rats" to "animals of near-human intelligence transplanting rats" as a way to pick apart the concept of 'nature' within natural selection. Letting alone the eventual fate of the rats, (Since everyone seems to agree that a natural cause means little-to-no action has to be taken.) what trait(s) would you say, do humans have that holds us accountable for our actions in a way that 'nature' is not?

Whatever happened, it would probably be to hard to get rid of the Norwegian rats once they were there, however they got there. I'd just set up a reserve for the fictitious rats to preserve their species and let the rats fight for control of the island. Especially if it was tectonic. It could even be a couple of rats floating on a log, but it would still be natural. It's happened before, and everythings turned out well. That's my thought on the topic anyways.

What if the rats had gotten there as a result of some other intelligent species' actions? Like if a pod of dolphins decided to ferry them over to the island for amusement. (Dolphins are amused by genocide.) Would this still be considered a natural enough cause to allow the takeover? If not, then how far down the "intelligence ladder" would the acting party have to be to qualify as a force of nature?

Well, if the superior species had gotten into the other one's habitat without any human cause then I would regard that as natural selection and maybe just keep some sort of reserve for the inferior one. When a species invading another one's habitat is the result of human ignorance or meddling I think that trying to rectify that mistake is a reasonable option.

The point of the question is basically; which is more important, biodiversity or the superior species. Using the Norwegian rats and the fictitious rats is just an example and a way of displaying the question.

Well, if the fictional rats don't carry many diseases in the first place then the introduction of the Norwergian rats, which I would assume carry as many diseases as Brown Rats in the rest of Europe do, would be a problem. Brown Rats already live nearly everywhere though. I suppose you could just say that nature is anything that happens in an environment. The Grey Squirrels don't really do anything apart from displacing native squirrels and normal squirrel stuff (which, here, doesn't include mauling children)

Yeah, I agree about defining nature first, TK. I dislike research papers.

I was going to browse around for Norwegian rat-related disease spreading, but then I remembered all the research papers I have due by December, so that will have to wait a month or two. I think we'd have to define 'Nature' before we defined whether human society is 'natural'. I'm inclined to say humans are just smart animals, and therefore any action taken by a civilized society is merely the conclusion of natural selection over time. So are the Gray squirrels carrying any particularly dangerous disease strains or are they just out-competing the Reds and mauling unattended children? (As they do in their native New York.)

I would say it's just however things are/were without humans meddling in it. The idea of a 'natural order' I think, raises the question of can humans be considered a part of the natural environment the in the same way as everything else. Regarding the question about the rats though, there's a similar situation in Europe, especially Ireland and Britain though, Grey Squirrels were introduced from America and have been causing lots of problems for the native Red Squirrels with the possibility that they could go extinct. In fact, hunters and environmentalists have been in agreement about hunting the Grey Squirrels.

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No offense, but I don't think there's such thing as a natural "order". Nature, as a general rule appears to be chaotic on every tier save for the individual groups of social animals. To me, it seems that organisms don't have any structure other than "whatever worked the last few billion generations", it certainly looks like order, but that's probably just wishful thinking on humanity's part for wanting to live in a stable environment. Again, just my opinion as a philosophy-hobbyist with zero official background. I didn't think of diseases in my scenario, but that is a very good point. Hmm. -v- Well, if it's really that much of an issue, there's probably plenty of documentation of Norwegian rats causing wildlife to get sick upon arriving in their new environment. Australia, the Americas, Africa, several Pacific islands (Anywhere European ships made landfall, really.)... assuming anyone bothered to check on things they weren't economically dependent on. I'm guess rabies would be the big one, but this requires research to be sure.

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@StarTrekSpock: It is a tough question, the best ones always are. Anyone can say that "Killing is wrong." and mean it; but hopefully after this board thoroughly dissects the notion in its entirety, we (Both the active participants and the silent watchers like Codnchips almost definitely is.) will all be able to say precisely why it is wrong. That's invaluable progress, in my opinion. @NorbertLinuxGuy: Okay, so your position is that there is something about diversity itself that should be preserved. Even if that means sacrificing a majority for a minority. I presume from your previous responses that your current reasoning is based on an increased likelihood of mutations that could ultimately prove beneficial to the biosphere as a whole. Am I close? @stixx44: You'll never make sense if you keep using "cents" like that. Also, I hope you don't feel entirely unwelcome. If you have something relevant (and preferably well-thought out) to say about the current discussion, the "Great Debate" can always use a fresh point of view. (This is my apology for any perceived hostility you may have felt from me while I was deprived of my precious caffeine. I'm a shameless addict, it's true.)

@NorbertLinuxGuy Diversity is definitely more important, but say you substitute the rats for work horses, and the native horses are worse than the Norwegian horses at work. You'd want to keep the Norwegian horses for work, but have some kind of reserve for the native ones. @stixx44 Finally, you realised it.

ZZZZZZZZZZZZzzzzzzzzzzzz, what!!!! What happened? Did Pg become useless for challenges!! @STS Here's a story, Play EE and throw 1,000,000,000,000 pigs like O16 did. Wait, I don't make cents.

I think the survival of the other species and overall diversity is more important than the amount of rats or lives of the ones on the ship.

Having more rats isn't always good. But I agree, save the superior race (as the inferior one would probably die out naturally from natural selection.) But have "a fictitious preserve somewhere." It's a tough question though.

Actually I specified that the Norwegian rats lived longer and had more efficient metabolisms. The same amount of food would be able to support a larger population of otherwise identical rats. They'd still be hunted at the same rate by predators and remain just as likely to starve after they hit the higher population limit; the only death-agent that would increase I can think of would be disease infection rates from extra crowding. But they'd also develop immunities faster, so that might balance out. Personally, I'd let the native rats lose. It'd be sad at first, but having more individuals on the island sounds like it can only be a plus. (And though the "yes or no" structure of the scenario doesn't allow for a compromise, if it were up to me I'd probably set up a Fictitious preserve somewhere.)

Would the total population not become the same as it was before after the Norwegian rats wipe out the Fictitious rats and populate the island. So killing the Norwegian rats early while there are not too many would mean less death than if they were allowed take over.

It wouldn't be "nature taking its course" because the rats would be introduced by the humans. I say biodiversity is more important by total population.

I'd go with saving the native population for diversity.

So which would you say is more important, the total amount of living things or the total amount of diversity among living things? Say there's an island populated with a newly discovered rodent, the population is stable and maintained by the natural conditions of the island. Unfortunately for R. fictitious, the ship that discovered the island and it's inhabitants was carrying a small population of the common Norwegian rat. The Norwegian rats are equal to the fictitious rats in every meaningful way, save for their much more efficient metabolisms and lifespans. Unless something is done, the native population of Fictitious rats will be replaced by a much larger population of Norwegian rats. Neither the general island environment nor the world economy will be affected either way. So: do we allow nature to take its course, or do we eradicate the invading Norwegian rat population to save the populations of R. Fictitious?

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(Back on "actual" topic) Looks like the alt-history debate died, I'm sorry for my part in that. How about an ethics question: Assuming that life has value (whether that value be intrinsic or economic), at what point exactly is it better to let a living thing die rather than try to save it? The question's been posed in a number of different ways over the years, (Would you kill the fat man?) but I don't recall discussing it here. To start it off: I go out of my way to carefully move spiders and insects out of the house rather than kill them, but I don't really feel their lives are worth watching the ground to make sure I don't step on them. So apparently I only view small arthropods as worth saving when they're annoying me in my own home.

The word is "SENSE", stixx44, "sense". "Cents" is the plural of "cent", meaning "100" or "1/100" depending on the context. Please stop stabbing the eyeballs of everyone who reads your comments.

That has nothing to do in EE, also and I'm almost making cents!!! The cloud is just kinda weird too, like in PG2 when you use cloud in the PG2 version of Earth Editor, EE.

I see your joke but you still make no "cents" :P

I guess its rock, paper, scissors, lizard, spock, time!! Rock, Paper, Scissors, Lizard, Spock!!!! *Spock* @STS I like the meteor tool too. And I wonder but sometimes anyone of us don't make cents. Get it!!!

Please take your ideas elsewhere, like to that DEVELOPMENT BLOG http://hassii.blog39.fc2.com/ I mentioned earlier, all they do here is annoy people and make the comments go by faster. In addition, you're probably making noobs think that that's an appropriate way to contact ha55ii despite it never having worked once. (Coincidences don't count.) vvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvv http://hassii.blog39.fc2.com/ ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Pen shot, meteor, Bg long, Bg short. It would all be good.

Idea : Elements and other stuff from pg and pg2!! Meteor will make cool stuff too!!!!!!!!!!!

Well, ever since Pg2 got black hole, more updates have been impossible. Earth Editor is already very close to Pg. I guess ha55ii just decided to add black hole to Pg2 an give up on EE so he'd only have to update one game. That's just my opinion.

Where's my name, I'm supposed to be on there? @STS Of course, the Earth Editor game is cool and need more uploads!! Sorry Updates!!!

Afterthought: Doesn't Scotland have lots of petroleum deposits too? Assuming that includes tar pits, the Vikings may have been pursuing a way to cheaply waterproof their ships.

I recall reading somewhere that the Danish felt the need to expand and raid their neighbors because Denmark itself is basically a forested sandbar with no workable metals. They depended on farming more than what they could eat and trading the surplus for weapons and armor for their military. But then I guess their trade started suffering for some reason and the only alternative was to take it forcibly. That's apparently why the Danes conquered Norway and Sweden, anyway. I suppose if Scotland had any surface iron (or other weapon metals) that would make the region a good target for that purpose.

However in Scotland it faded away over time apart from in the Shetland Islands (which are almost halfway between Scotland and Norway). I was watching a video recently about the Yorkshire Dialect in England, it had quite a lot of Scandinavian words compared to ordinary English. Northern English dialects in general were like that though but the Yorkshire one survived longer (it might still exist, I'm not completely sure).

I think about the Vikings and their influence on certain places could be put down to geographic proximity.

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Just use the bathroom. I finished your sentence STS. Have you tried making the Earth before on Earth Editor. I did!

@TK I signed that list before I knew about ha55ii's blog, so...

Bother and befuddle, wrong colour.

From what I've been reading the idea that England would not have fallen to the Saxons had the Romans not invaded seems to hold up fairly well. The Vikings did influence England and Scotland, however in Ireland the Vikings who raided and later built towns ended up assimilating into Irish society eventually. Without Christianity Europe would have been a lot more divided, all the different European religions could have survived

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Still would have been caught off-guard by the relatively unaffected Viking raiders. So you know, Northern-Germanic culture would've gotten in anyway. On that note, if we link Christianity never developing into the political force it was pre-Renaisance to the Norse peninsula kingdoms only losing like maybe two or three traderoutes at most; could it be supposed that the Vikings would continue to raid and pillage for a few more centuries without anyone to threaten them with excommunication?

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Never mind StarTrekSpock just look at his code! Meteor is good and idea in pg uploads!!!!!!!!! @StarTrekSpock You're the real STS.

I was reading a while ago a theory that if the Romans hadn't invaded England the Saxons may not have been able to take over later, the reasons for this were that the native people in England became less prepared for battle after living under the Roman Empire. The idea was also put forward that the mediaeval European civilisation would not have been possible without the Roman Empire.

Yep, Dan-Ball has been crashing A LOT lately. VVV

Has anyone been else having many problems with this site not working right?

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No there not. @STS I know it is and I know that That guy Is the same guy. Player 56, New player, in Powder game.

Sorry stixx44, but this is the Irritation Stickman board, (which we've subverted into a casual debate board because reasons.) the Powder Game board is labeled "Stick Ranger" due to a translation accident.

@stixx44 (12) Wrong game. Also, I'm terrible at SR so I don't play it.

I've seen water uploads that are good and fine like this one I've just voted. ｢Water Purifier｣ - by Creeper16469votes 2013/10/13 10:24 * Thank you for voting. EE could be EE2 or not.

Actually now that I think of it, a lack of Byzantine Romans to impede their progress would probably let the Arab conquests reach a lot further up north. Considering they managed to takeover Spain and Sicily in like 50 years after Muhammad kicked it I imagine there would at least be a caliphate in Eastern Europe if not further the West.

I'm about to come in. @STS Just Wait until you play Forest 6. We all don't want to talk about it. HHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

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Don't feel bad me boy, just look stuff up on Wikipedio!

Oh, a history debate (semi-debate, maybe). Well, I'm clueless about history so I'll just watch and feel sad.

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The Mongolian invasion of Europe was a lot later though, during the 13th century, by then the Roman Empire had already collapsed and Europe had gone through the Dark Ages. Speaking of Carthage, they owned some of Spain, perhaps they could have taken more of Europe.

*Ignore the "faster", that's a leftover from fact-check editing that I missed.

Europe would have fallen to the Mongols faster, due to a lack of unity between the tribes. (I'm imagining a situation similar to Greater Russia.) Egypt would have continued being awesome and permanent until subverted by the Mameluke Caliphate and vassalized by Arabia. Carthage, being on semi-friendly terms with Egypt, would probably focus on conquering the Ivory Coast and Congo.

@hai551 If you're going to try to impersonate the site's owner at least spells the name right it's 'ha55ii'.

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I wonder how the world would be if there had never been a Roman Empire (or any other similar empire taking over Europe). So, for starters the Western World would probably not be influenced by Christianity. The Romance Languages would not exist.

iwish there wuld be just like powder game but earth editer! i want more things pleez sign the thing so theirs more updates :)

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Ye numpties, it has been many years since the topic was the game.

Do try to be on-topic, wat.

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Besides the petition bot things.

Boring is better than starving, though there's more than enough regular food for everyone.

Do try to be on-topic, aero2.

When experimenting, I use meteor and fire on a white hole and I get a HUGE CRATER that fills itself with lava inside some walls.

According to the polls, boring is better than starving. Besides, it's apparently flavorless so you can mix whatever seasonings you want with it.

Although living off it might get boring with a lack of variety.

Hmm, it's interesting, Dinosaur Comics had a comic about a similar idea.

How about Soylent? Any thoughts? https://campaign.soylent.me/soylent-free-your-body Personally, I think it's awesome- especially the name.

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its fun and crazy at the same time

I found a video about one happening this month. It was one of those ones were they record some strange noises and then pick a day for an apocalypse

... Is it too late for another apocalypse?

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There's only 1000 comments saved in any one board, what did you expect?

I went WWWAAAAYYYY back to when the list started and didn't see the comment I put up that would lead to my name being #1 this entire time WTF!

Oh for the love of Talos, this is ridiculous, it's like you people posting these lists are robots, or zombies.

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Dude, it's been years. Just be happy they left it up so you can play it every now and then.

OMG i will soon freakout! why are you stopping updating this game! I have a lot of ideas to new updates: Add paing so you can paint ex oil to lava Add cirkle so you can make a perfect cirkle og ex cloud Add a button so you can paste a perfect planet or star. Please make more updates to this game! we want it all!

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http://www.philosophyexperiments.com/ This site here is interesting.

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You just ignored every previous comment, didn't you?

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I wish there was an upload button and you can see other peoples planets

for me it just crashes

I had a look at the Japanese boards, they're a lot more orderly than the English ones.

Not to mention they're Japanese and they probably don't frequent the English boards too much, especially not one as dead as this. In addition, as far as I know for certain only one of them speaks English.

No. Besides, petitions only work if you have leverage against the one in charge. The admins don't need anything from you beyond the website hits and ad revenue. Since everyone's made it pretty clear that they're willing to play a game they think is imperfect, the petitions will NEVER WORK.

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Same, I simply don't have the time to keep retyping everything with finals-based time restraints.

Danball hasn't been letting me post the last few days.

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It's interesting that the Jesuits are normally urged not to take positions like the Papacy despite traditionally having strong ties to it.

... So how's that new Pope? I think his name was Francis? First non-European Pope *ever* and he doesn't have an issue with atheists! Surely he's making enough waves to talk about.

Tis always the mark of one who thinks rationally.

Caps lock and 10 exclamation points, clearly this is a sensible and well-rounded individual.

Please, Please bring Earth editor out on Android and ios. please i love this game so much but cant play it on my computer because of my java. so please will you bring it out???

Seriously imposter, your here too? One game with you is bad enough.

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Yeah... he's probably just gonna force one of his "adoring fans" to have his kid. Maybe he'll host a national basketball tournament for the "honor".

An orphan mightn't have grown up with the same background and might not be a good choice for a future dictator.

Actually, he's 29 or 30 years old. Still gives him 40+ years to get some sort of successor. (Maybe he could adopt an orphan and take him under his wing?)

I think he's in his early 20s, just pulled out of a Swiss private school a few years ago.

Yes, how old is he? I'd say things might change their if there was a leader with some fresh ideas maybe if they had someone like how Mikhail Gorbachev was to the USSR. A revolt among the people would probably be impossible with their military and the people being cut off from outside sources of information, also a lot people who have had those sort of ideas have probably been imprisoned already.

Things could get pretty difficult if Kim Jong-un doesn't have any children.

Hard to say, they've had "about 30 years left to go" for about 65 years now.

How long do you think it will be before the North Korean regime collapses?

There was a debate on something I have a relatively deep knowledge of and I missed it by five whole days? Dang. Anyway, North Korea possess a missile named the BM25 Musudan which has a 2,500 mile range. The northeastern section of North Korea is within 2,450 miles of Attu Island, a currently uninhabited island that is the furthest west of the Alaskan Aleutian Islands. I think North Korea should fire one or two of those missiles at Attu Island to make a point to America that they're serious and menacing. Once they've done that they can deescalate the crisis and go back to being an unloved pariah state. (Assuming America doesn't respond with a couple of barrages of Tomahawk and Standoff missiles.)

China *might* consider backing them, but only if they somehow value their relations with NK more than they do their lucrative trade with everyone else. Very unlikely, especially since all NK can offer them is coal, oil shale, and computer-shaped paperweights. Also, I was doing more research on the "successful satellite launch" and apparently the thing split into three pieces and fell in the ocean. (I'd post a link, but DB doesn't like it.)

I doubt North Korea would ever get any powerful countries to help them. On it's own North Korea is fairly insignificant.

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Well, they've been specifically threatening South Korea and the US since the cease fire. So that's two enemies. Then there's all the Japanese people they kidnapped over the years, (including the guy that invented Godzilla), so that's three. They're probably pissed at Australia for confirming South Korea's accusation of nuclear tests, so that's a possible four...

I don't think even Kim Jong Un is stupid enough to start a nuclear war. Also, it's estimated that their most long-range missile could just about reach Alaska but couldn't reach any of the rest of the USA.

Who is North Korea actually enemies with? If they actually have working nuclear bombs I suppose they are a threat.

So... Do you suppose North Korea is seriously a threat, or is Kim playing some sort of game?

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I wonder why Danball decided my name was 'NorbertLinuhxGuy'.

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Yes. Yes I did.

Did you delete the game?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sleep_deprivation Well it's possible to die from not sleeping.

And then after a few hours of ignoring that, the need inexplicably vanishes. (and then comes back, but it still goes away again.)

Well it has to be necessary seeming you feel tired after not sleeping enough.

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That seems more like a correlation than a cause, especially since those organs function perfectly fine when we're awake too.

Well the kidneys do most of their work while your asleep and the the brain sorts memories .

Why can't I exceed 40000 dots? If the owner is seeing this comment, make a new version where you CAN exceed 40000. Thanks.

But how would that restore energy? We're not gathering nutrients or anything, it's just lying still while vividly hallucinating. If anything it's just preserving the energy collected while awake.

I thought everyone knew that we slept to re-energise ourselves and for different organs to do different things.

Why do we sleep? That's a good question.

I had a great idea for a debate topic last night. Then, by morning, I had forgotten it. Life can be so cruel.

It's poorer countries like Brazil or China that are responsible for a lot of the trouble with the environment but that's not to say the West doesn't damage it a lot as well. Humans do a lot for helping unwanted species spread. In Ireland there's loads of grey squirrels that are causing the native red squirrels to go extinct because someone gave a bunch of grey ones as a gift to some lord or someone with a large estate. Rats as well, they thrive with people around.

@Codnchips: Well, I mean in theory. Somewhere near the beginning of the chain of events that lead to modern ecological damage is just some guys with a poor understanding of how nature works. And the more people study it now, the more conscious general society'll be of it and the slower our industry will damage it in the future. Meanwhile reparation is being actively pursued by both human volunteers and natural selection for pollution-tolerant organisms. In any case, I really doubt we're going to ruin a multi-billion year-old system all by ourselves. @NorbertLinuxGuy: The ants might object to that judgement if they weren't already busy conquering the world. http://www.radiolab.org/blogs/radiolab-blogland/2012/jul/31/argentine-ant-invasion/

"I'm pretty sure ecological damage is mainly the result of ignorance to ecology. Since we're currently the only animals with a vague sense of global awareness, I'd say we're actually much less destructive than some people like to believe." You reckon? I think it's mostly because we can't really stop relying so heavily on timber and combustion for energy without investing a lot of money, and no-one wants to spend money now when it's easier to just let people deal with it if it becomes a huge problem in a few years. Also, certain species of monkey (I think they're monkeys - definitely a primate of some kind) have very definite social hierarchies (i.e. the social status is decided by what family someone in born into and remains the same, like the old feudal system) and are able to use basic tools. I'd say they'd be among the top contenders.

I'd go with the naked mole rats but they might be evolved a bit too specifically for living underground to do well in other places. Ants are a bit too small to really take over the earth.

I'd be willing to put a vote or two for eusocial animals like ants or naked mole rats, since they sort of already behave in a civilized manner. Also: I'm pretty sure ecological damage is mainly the result of ignorance to ecology. Since we're currently the only animals with a vague sense of global awareness, I'd say we're actually much less destructive than some people like to believe.

While I enjoy the game, I won't suggest it to anyone until it is made possible to upload creations.

@Codnchips Unless they evolve. Maybe some sort of primate would. Octopi are quite intelligent as well.

No other animal will manage to mess the place up and generally multiply and damage everything everywhere like humans have managed, so there's no real answer to that.

Animal most likely to inherit the Earth when we're done with it?

Danball's been blocking all my comments so anyone got a new topic?

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Well, college students and anyone involved in a large impersonal business that doesn't frequently check up on employees.

Yeah, that's what I would think.

Seems to me like drunk college students would have more apposite things to do.

According to one teacher I had Wikipedia is what drunk college students do for fun

Spoke too soon, they took all but one link down. They left all my randomly generated spam though.

That's odd, I've been posting links all over the place, they haven't taken any of mine down. Maybe Dan-Ball has a vendetta against Wikipedia for providing faulty information that inadvertently lead to the death of their father...

Yeah, there were links to Wikipedia articles about Canadian hockey riots from the past 20 years.

Were there links? Mine normally get removed.

I'm trying to figure out what I wrote that deserved to get removed. Was it "riot"? "hooliganism"?

I think words might be censored manually, mysterguy's comment stayed for a day until it disappeared.

Wait was it "hate or "kill"?

But in Japanese it's unlikely that gra.pe would actually include the Japanese word for 'ra.pe', so I think you're wrong there.

Franz Kafka doesn't sound like a particularly cheery fellow to be around.

"The first sign of the beginning of understanding is the wish to die." ~* Franz "The Man" Kafka *~

I think half the problems involved are because the censorbot automatically translates English to Japanese before checking for corrections. Which is why "gr.a.pe" is blocked, while "cock" is not. "cock" would probably be interpreted as whatever "rooster" is in Japanese.

Well, maybe now I'll have a grudge against it.

I think Danball's censorbot has a grudge against you

Aw, man, the great bastion of insight that was my comment got deleted again...

when will it be updated

THIS NEEDS TO BE UPDATED

Re: the comment danball deleted Violent fans doesn't sound very Canadian, I heard a writer saying about how great American sports were in that they didn't have violent mobs. Rome was in the news about some hardcore football fans going around causing trouble at some competition.

As in the game itself or the fans?

I was unaware that America even had a hockey league, I wonder if American games ever get as violent as Canada's apparently do...

Yeah, they're the Chicago Blackhawks, an NHL (National Hockey League) team. I honestly don't know much about them, other than that they haven't lost a game yet this season in 18 games. As far as I can tell, the fervor of a hockey fan is only matched by Cricket fans in the Indian subcontinent, American college football fans in the south and Soccer/Football fans in general.

Nor am I. They hockey or something?

I'm not much into sports, especially American ones.

... That's a sports team, right?

So... how 'bout them Blackhawks?

That's the whole reason I click on ads, so that websites make money and to make some companies lose money .

I'm pretty sure the tween-based ad revenue is enough to sustain the domain fee. Just wish for more noobs and all will be well.

Lets hope that doesn't happen.

It has been decided, the debate will end when Dan-Ball goes down.

HAH, RIGHT. I mean, errm...

When we get married/start families?

I'm already in college actually, so not even then.

Well, I figure it will go on until the debaters here go to college and/or start a career. Should give this debate at least a couple more years.

I reckon the debate will end whenever people decide to post on different boards.

i once made a planet but then a meteorite hit it and it caught on fire :(

Do I count as a part-time debater or a hanger-on? Probably the latter.

Also: Factor in the likeliness of world events being mundane enough as to be beneath notice.

That depends, how likely is it that all of the past and present debaters will swear off of Dan-Ball before we get new additions that might be interested in (and interesting enough) for it to continue?

Cause seriously, it's been going on for years now. Years and years. Nearly half a decade.

Next debate topic: Will this debate ever, ever end? Ever?

It can live if you just believe!

Sorry I haven't been replying, midterms just got over with and the last thing I want to do is think critically when I could be blowing up aliens.

Well this board is dead again.

I read something that said that it's like how certain colours can be evocative of certain emotions e.g. blue for calmness but I think that's quite subjective. Your idea sounds quite good, but I would think that emotion in speech is conveyed by loudness and tone rather than pitch. The first instruments were made to communicate over distances while hunting, music came later.

i can't make the earth also i'm new

can anyone make the earth?

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Oooh, good topic! Hmm, I've read somewhere that song probably developed before language (hence why rhyme and alliteration often indicates similar meanings in words.) So I'm willing to bet that the chords are extensions of human or pre-human voice tones.

Time to be intellectual again. I wonder, how come with music, some groups of tones sound inherently happy or sad, e.g major and minor chords.

Onse i scored high on a math test, and evberyone called me a nerd.! Im not a no nerd.! Wahhh!@111!!!!!!1!!!one!!!!

honestly, i dont get the point of this game, its kilda stupid

i once todl a gurl that she was as hot as a stoev or a zsty peper she aksed me to d1e :(

danball

... Yay, pointless middleschool drama! That's just what this board needs.

everyone at school today a boy ask me out guess what I say? Yes.All you girls out their are ugly not me.Bye bye

Can someone help me get on Dan-balls please? that would be nice

I was going to say E. Coli, but they remind me of Mike'n'Ikes candy, so I guess I don't have an answer.

Out of ten i would rate Earth Editor 9/10 9 becasue i think there should be more items

to andrew stanaka i cant figer out how to get on can somone help me

@TK What's the least adorable micro-organism?

Their mouths are weird but they look a lot more adorable than a dust mite.

Errr... they do? They look rather un-adorable to me.

how do u download it?!

They look adorable. Especially compared to other microorganisms.

Ho

I would think a tardigrade has quite a lot of spirit being able to survive all the stuff they can survive. They look weird though.

Well I guess it's dead again, for now anyway. This board has the spirit of a tardigrade, I swear...

me too

i don`t know how to make a earth

You weren't meant to do anything "Fate" is a LIE.

I was meant to say 'me zacs'

mi saX

I sometimes want to buy Minecraft but I never want it enough to bother buying it, and if you restart before the time runs out in the demo for adventure mode you can play it infinitely.

The only things I ever bothered to make with redstone were piston-doors and rapid-fire flaming-arrow-launchers. That probably makes me a sadist or something, and quite possibly a masochist since I nearly never play on multiplayer...

And Minecraft has better ones, in 3D as well. Minecraft is my preferred platform for logic circuit thingies now, and I've got a few interesting ones, such as a Minecraft unbeatable Tic-Tac-Toe which works considerably faster than my PG version.

@Codnchips if you like electronics the Powder Toy has lots of it.

You could always hope that new updates brings new possibilities. Althought they usually doesn´t. And I kind of like SR too.

I've gone about as far as it's possible to go on PG in terms of electronics, so I don't play it any more.

I almost never play the games here, too busy with schoolwork and practice. But when I do, it's on EE or PG with a ham/turkey sandwich in one hand and a bottle of Old Spice in the other. I'm a horse, and the horse is on a turtle- after that it's just turtles all the way down.

I didn't know people came here for the games, I just come here for the comment boards and sometimes I play the Powder Game.

He didn't use much punctuation. What he meant to say is "Have any of you got rid of the black hole, invited a friend and then made bases to simulate a war?" I've done this, though I usually keep a few blackholes around to make the trajectory more interesting. Also it seems a little insulting to invite someone over to play a 3x3 inch java game when I've got a decent selection of console games available, so I normally 'play' solitaire.

...friend? I don't understand the question.

have any of you got rid of the black hole got a friend and made base like things and had a war?

Things like having two forms of the letter S , silent Es on the end of words and accents on the last e in words like banished or vanished have gone from the language in the last few hundred years.

I don't think any new languages have developed naturally recently but some like Esperanto have been created and Esperanto was made simple so more people would learn it. I think English is meant to have a middling level of complexity which would agree with the theory as it was the Normans who laid the foundations for the rest of the development of English. The trend in development in English more recently seems to the language simplifying itself. Compare English today with English in the last 500 years. http://xkcd.com/612/

http://fc06.deviantart.net/fs70/f/2011/080/f/d/jellyvampire_10_by_jellyvampire-d3c5vfd.png This is a fun trend. I wonder if this theory would hold up with recently developed languages, as in a language developed with prior knowledge of computers or something. I would to think we've at least matched the Ancient Greeks in cultural advancement, if not surpassed them completely.

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this game is fun to mess around with

http://files.g4tv.com/ImageDb3/264359_S/Homefront-and-Propaganda-In-Video-Games---What-Are-They-Trying-To-Tell-You.jpg Now on a completely unrelated topic I read about some linguistics theory that said that a language's complexity was proportional to the advancement of the people who spoke it. This included complex grammar which apparently is related to the language's culture. According to this idea Greek is a complicated language because the Ancient Greeks were very advanced.

... The hell was that?

And now for something completely different: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/1/13/Odinochnoye.jpg

The secret's out...

Time is a fun, but delecate subject. Thus it rarely occurs in every day speech. Was that an interesting post, Codnchips 67? :Pπ

I had an interesting post but then I asked the internet about it and it wasn't so interesting.

Someone make an interesting post. BELIEVE IN YOURSELF AND YOU WILL MANAGE IT.

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You're right they do.

Fine, let me clarify: "Love" is a strong word in context with mindless 3-5 worded sentences. It can technically mean anything, but common speech patterns dictate that it's always an understatement. EX: "That's pretty HIGH up." "Look how FAR it went!" "Wow, that was FAST."

People who say that X is a strong word deserve the strongly worded opinions of their opinionated peers.

@clone: Love is strong word, I try to avoid emphasis unless I'm being sarcastic or absurd. Just for future reference.

i love pink

i love this game

Removing warning labels on everything would make it difficult to do anything outside of one's personal experiences. I've never had to work a gas pump, so if I ever leave the state I'll have to look for some kind list of instructions and warnings to make sure I don't blow a gas station up. Also I'm pretty sure "sending crazy/stupid people out into the desert" would just make the wilderness more dangerous from all the serial-killers.

jokeing its been a while sience ive been here it hasent changed one bit oh yeah and HAPPY 2013!!

*?

What if the dumb ones revolt and stop working wherever they work and thus destroy the economy which leads to a war between the smart people and the numpties.

I propose that we send the terminally stupid out into the desert; (Not sure if that's the proper use of a semicolon but hey, I'm feeling wild and crazy) those that have the skills to make it out alive are allowed back into society.

How about removing all warning labels and allowing the terminally stupid to take care of themselves?

That last one sounds like eugenics; I'm not really a fan of that sort of thinking, since it can go in so many bad directions. Just... So many.

If Argentina existed 100 million years ago, it would have been in Africa.

I'm going to avoid any conversation involving castration.

Gun control? Castration for the terminally stupid? Good topics for discussion.

I'm gonna predict a possible future as to what a Geography "debate" would look like: "I say Argentina is in Africa!" "How many time must I say this? It's in ASIA. A-S-I-A, Asia. Right next to Old Zealand!" "I'm starting to think you 2 are serious, why else would you continue like that for 63 posts?" -- I'm up for anything though, really. I'd start a conversation myself, but I seem to have rather bad luck at that lately. I've been leaving a bowl of milk and salt by my backdoor in case the local fairies are mad at me for whatever reason.

Also, Geography, but you can't really sustain a debate on Geography.

I'm vaguely familiar with it. Honestly, Politics and History are my strong suits.

We are in dire need of a new topic. Anyone like biology?

E* dammit, capitalisation.

The full equation is actually: e^2=(mc^2)^2+(pc)^2, where p is momentum. The equation isn't correct for a moving object otherwise (or so I am told by the people on the Internet that tell me what to think). The more you know...

It's weird how many people have memorized that equation by name but still have no idea what it means. It's like knowing that "1+1=2" but not knowing how to count or what numbers even are.

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tristan

The equation isn't energy equals mass it's energy = (mass by the speed of light) squared

I must disagree, good sir! The explosion of energy results from positive and negative forces cancelling eachother out and releasing their respective energies. If it were positive + positive matter (or negative + negative, etc.) then you would just get denser matter or else everything would have exploded too fast for something as stable for the universe to form.

I might be late, but anti-matter isnt negative matter. If so, it would be the excact opposite of normal matter and if you combined them, they´d just disappear. Now, a huge explosion takes place, so they was actually both made by energy. And, as everyone knows, energy = mass.

My maths is pretty bad, I tend to disagree with half of the methods being taught and am not interested in many maths related jobs but I'm still not the worst maths student going.

I'm a science fan, but I probably don't understand any of it as much as I'd hope since my math is considered sub-par for highschool.

I'm not that great at science but I can bluff an understanding of it and find it interesting. I am better at it than a lot of my school chums though.

"I like the physics (and to a lesser extent other sciences) debates, because they're the only ones where I have a clue what's actually going on. :L" You and I are very different people. Also, Roblox still exists?

roblox.com go on now kids

I like the physics (and to a lesser extent other sciences) debates, because they're the only ones where I have a clue what's actually going on. :L

Not really, the site owner is hosting a "Creepy Pasta Cook-off" and somebody started a thread about what exactly it was that really made horror.

Are you talking about the academic PDF that came up when I Googled it?

Welp, that didn't last long... "The Nature of Horror" was trending for a bit over on another site I frequent, but I only found it after it got locked by an admin. Maybe that?

you did reveal it yourself! :P

This debate is revealing my failings in Physics...

Not to mention negative mass and energy. Negative mass bothers me immensely, but oh well.

That's actually exactly what antimatter is. Neutrons and negatively charged protons stuck together being orbited by positively charged electrons.

I think the real answer was far more mundane than negative matter.

Could anti-matter be considered negative matter? It was an answer I came up with for a hypothetical science question.

I'm coining "meta-matter" if nobody else has. Maybe it would be possible to synthesize complete atoms without mass, which could then be stored at nearly infinite densities until needed. To be completely fair to the military industry, I'd like to point out the many of the most recent advances have shortened conflicts to sniping and cover-fire.

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In addition, mass is a measure of the amount of substance or matter in an object. So I would say that if something has no mass it's not a substance, it's something else.

That's not because science is bad, it's because people are idiots and are always looking for ways to kill people or can't be bothered to invest any money in renewable energy.

Same, but if a substance has no mass is it really a substance? Or have we not already had mass-less substances already in the form of photons and the like. The thing about science is that something new is discovered and the old stuff is re-written. But progress is generally good unless we make a nice new bomb and some idiot kills everyone with it and pollution and etc.

You'll have to pardon my not getting involved in this conversation because I know diddly-squat about physics.

Well a new basic particle means a new branch in physics, which could possibly mean new chemistry, engineering and scientific progress in general. Higg's Boson is supposedly responsible for mass, so we might end up with mass-less substances or something.

Such as?

Well, the LHC claims to have maybe found the Higgs a little while ago. Maybe implications about that?

Very cool game! Mabie there should be a alien element! Mabie there should be alien colonys and stuff like that!

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We should be talking about something more intellectual.

You can shoot fire " balls" on shot mode. Bonus, practice shooting at sand and seed planets.

My mom liked the show specifically for Sheen; I'm guessing it's similar to watching a train-wreck in slow-motion.

Now I remember, Charlie Sheen is that guy of Two and Half Men. I never got why so many people like that show.

And he jumped on Oprah's couch...

My favourite lunatic is Tom Cruise with all his creepy Scien_to logy stuff.

I can't believe I missed the conversation on celebrated misogynist Charlie Sheen.

2012?

Neither do I, but I do pay attention to lunatics. It's always nice to know who's running things.

I don't pay much attention to famous people.

Charlie Sheen doesn't really 'act' though, he just plays more toned down versions of himself. I've never seen him in any role that wasn't "lovable a//hole", "wealthy party-animal" or "himself".

But then again, you know, being Charlie Sheen is hardly a "career in the arts". ...Or IS it?

Singing is more respectable than acting, I must disagree with you, and I think the that musicians die young more often than actors.

He looks like an older Charlie Sheen...

@YES_official do you mean this Morrissey? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Morrissey

awesome!

Just think of the possibilities, ok?

@Mysteryguy200?: On the dole is what Americans would call being on welfare, essentially. More interesting + marketable topic of debate: What if Morrissey, not Morsi, was the president of Egypt?

Languages I guess

So language origination or sandwiches?

Let's talk about what we were talking about before that, I didn't think we would get so side tracked. PS I'm Sven and Norbertlinuxlord, I forgot my account ID so I made a new one.

Well, I've never heard of any nicknames for this group of young men, although I've never lived in a large urban area. Regardless, I think the English/Irish/Scottish have too many nicknames for this subculture.

I don't care

As far as special words go, I suppose the closest American proxy would be the "gangsta" sub-culture. Though even that's a bit of a stretch since some of the most assertive of the life-style probably don't live that way.

nobody like nerds

I guess the closest equivalent would be food stamps.

And "on the dole" means?...

I mean dodgy as petty thug and probably going to be on the dole when they grow up.

It's just one those words, you never know what it's gonna do.

I thought dodgy meant aloof and maybe a little aggressive.

When you say "dodgy" do you mean "Mildly annoying and somewhat untrustworthy" or "possibly a future career criminal"?

Well, Maybe PG would be the best if they updated it....

This is going to be the best game!

I've been wondering, what do you call dodgy teenagers or young men in America, where I live, a few miles South of Dublin they're 'knackers' in Dublin they're 'skangers' in Cork they're 'langers' and they call them 'chavs' in England and Wales and 'pikeys' in Scotland and some of the North of Ireland.

Well, I was reading a theory that said that the complexity of a language is related to how developed the civilisation the language came from was. It stated that Greek is a complex language because Ancient Greece was very developed and the Native American languages were simple because they were quite undeveloped, English according to that theory is in the middle. I don't know how true it is. @TK I agree with the first part of your idea, the second part is true some of the time but also there are plenty of slang words that aren't abbreviations or corruptions. I'm not sure about the third part, upper class language is more complex definitely, but I'm not sure about it being *made* more complex deliberately.

Wite

My history studies have been centered mostly on folklore and technology, so I don't have much to back this up. But I've had this idea that maybe languages and accents evolve in a set pattern. First it's just a designation, a community would all agree that a given concept could be communicated in a certain way. The ancient Sumerians communicated using a chant of hundreds of mono-syllabic "words" that likely grew out of the easily misunderstood pointing-and-grunting. Next would be convenience, when sounds would be mushed together because clearly enunciating everything would simply take too long for the average working Joe with a family to feed. I think the recent development of "textspeak" might be a sign of this, though really any slang at all could apply just as easily. And finally the full transition comes when the upper classes want to look fancy, compounding words attaching prefixes and such to create new words that fluff up a speech and sweeten a poem. You know Shakespeare invented over half of modern English? Of course by the time a language has gotten to this point it's almost completely different and probably restarting the cycle.

I wish America had accents named off of Colleges...

I didn't think I wrote that much, as you can see I like rambling about this sort of thing.

Well some linguists reckon that accents like American accents or Australian are like what the original immigrants spoke and being far away from England they didn't modernise or developed their own way. @mysteryguy Where I live people don't really talk like that. I hear it with a lot of English accents and they often don't pronounce 'r's Often with impressions of Irish accents they put an r at the end of words. Mr Krabs did if he was meant to sound Irish. I also found about two laguages I didn't know existed Yola and Fingalian. Apparently they were Irish mutations of English but Yola has more of a Dutch influence, Fingalian sounds like Shelta (a mix of Irish and English) Some Irish accents sound quite Engish though, ones like a Southside Dublin accent or Trinity College accent.

/they're Odd, I swear I proof-read that.

What I never understood is why most British/Irish people pronounce words that end with A like it ends in "er". For example; "Atlanta" being pronounced "Atlanter" or "Obama" being pronounced "Obamer".

Most American pronunciations take hold because their more fun to say. English is a mutt of a language anyway, it hardly makes a difference as long as the point gets across.

I don't think 'd really like bologna, why do you call jam 'jelly' anyway jelly is the stuff you make out of gelatine and have for dessert jam doesn't have any gelatine. Also, I was reading on Wikipedia about jam and there's all these legal definitions for what is and isn't jam.

I always thought the jelly was there to eliminate the aftertaste of Peanut butter.

Well there's certainly ham in bologna, but it's also partially chicken, beef, turkey, venison and any other kind of meat the local sausage makers can get their hands on. I'm still going with meat and cheese because I don't really like the aftertaste of peanut butter.

Peanut butter and jelly, I don't like processed cheese and I've never tried bologna but it looks like ham but with a fancy name.

earth

I suppose, but for the sake of argument let's say it's pre-sliced, processed cheese.

Can the cheese be cheddar?

New debate subject: Bologna and cheese or Peanut Butter and jelly.

I had a debate with myself but I wasn't allowed post it.

Holy carp, in all my 6+ years of playing this game I've never known that! Seriously DNA, half the fun is figuring out how things work yourself.

Oh yeah, and size 3 pen

To make a fireball/realistic meteor. for people who dont know how, turn pen to shot, click fire, pull your mouse away from the planet, and let go of the left click button, it shoots a fireball at the planet.

I have an idea, Sven111, have a debate with yourself, it could be very enlightening.

its coll

I've got college and a lot more chores than I used to. Not to mention family preparations for Thanksgiving, 5 whole families to feed and entertain... it's not for a while but my mom's a perfectionist, so...

No, I'm on the road and just won't be able to comment regularly for a couple of weeks.

Did everyone die? I'm lonely.

Well normally opening the game helps.

Hey, look! a noob! And, to answer your question you have to be more specific.

how do you start playing

Yeah, I was sort of thinking about joining that wave, but Firefox won't let me log out and nobody would believe I was Santa after I personally drowned him.

I should point out as a disclaimer that I made up about 60% of the "politicians" commenting on the PG comments. The rest were just people who rode the wave.

I know, right? Personally, I thin they should've gone with their actual accounts instead of logging off. I prefer politicians be as transparent as possible.

I didn't know American politicians liked commenting on the PG board so much.

Apparently noobs get flustered when there is a living, flowing conversation; they all flee to the Ham Race comments.

Eh, I've been alright. I've recently started taking a few classes in Biology and Art, but as usual I'm so lazy it probably won't do much good. I've also started world-building for a Fantasy project on my DA. How have you been?

Did we scare the noobs away? ______________________________________________________________________________ New Zealand sounds pretty good, it's far away from everywhere too. __________________________________________________________________ These debates have been going for five years, PGs board was almost ok back then.

New Zealand might be a safe place to go. They have a law banning all things nuclear: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Zealand%27s_nuclear-free_zone Of course, come wartime they probably wouldn't have any way of enforcing it.

Five years man... It's been such a long time since I join these debates and well offered no help or conclusions to them. Ah good times. I did not expect TK to be roaming these boards but still I wonder TK how are you my friend? And what are you doing with your life?

I don't know about Argentina, either. The stretch between Antarctica and South America could be vitally important for submarine travel; and since subs typically host large amounts of nuclear warheads themselves, it would probably be prudent for a nation at nuclear-war to eliminate that particular invasion route. (I'm actually speaking from experience there, the same situation ended up happening in one of my multiplayer games.)

There's seals too, and maybe some other fish. Maybe some conservationists should bring some polar bears to Antarctica and cold Northern landmasses. People have managed to survive in the North pole so the coast of Antarctica shouldn't be drastically different. But because we were talking about nuclear survival, would the radiation reach the Antarctic coast? I don't think that the end of South America is that strategically important to require being blown up so maybe that might be an ok place to stay.

But you could only last so long in a Antarctic winter when the penguins leave and go out to sea...

I'm confused, I never said "Um, what?'' and that comment has a different code on the side. ______________________________________________________________________________ What about Antarctica, it could be a good place to stay if you don't mind the cold and like eating penguins and if the rest of the world get's destroyed we can all live there and maybe have the sense to have non-nuclear wars instead.

I'm thinking the Sahara desert. You'd just have to have some source of water and fight off the bands of thugs roaming the desert.

Blue

Sooo.... Ethiopia? Huh. Of course their economy would finally boom after the rest the world went to hell.

Um, what?